So there are some obvious hints that we go to Undermine during the first content patch of TWW. Can we assume our favorite fat and rich goblin leader makes a grand return to the stage after outing for resources back in Shadowlands? Like he wasn’t our enemy ever and seemed to work fine together with the Brokers. I hope he gets a happy ending since he is just so much more fun to quest with then ethical pathos socialism Gazlowe used to be.
Why do you keep shilling for Goblin when you have clearly never played their intro questline?
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He was on the side of the Horde since Cataclysm. Gazlowe was neutral back then. So yes I stick to the Cartel that was actually there before.
He joined the Horde because Thrall forced him to do it. He was never in it for the faction pride. It was only about the money and himself.
So like a true Goblin yes.
Well don’t hold your breath for the “true” goblin to come back now that he owns Venture Co. and presumably control over Kezan.
Gallywix was missing in action since Shadowlands. We don’t know what he did after. But fact to the matter is his way is how we get to experience the whole Goblin race. And it was funny and good. Some times a caricature of capitalism is enough to carry a story.
“Some times?” I think you mean ALL the time. His antics are entertaining but he was a terrible leader who provided more humor than substantial story telling. Blizzard wants to take goblin lore in a more serious and likely beneficial direction for the Horde so it’s better if Gallywix stays away.
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I can enjoy characters when they are actually different in their behavior. You want all leaders to be like Anduin. We are not the same.
It’s not really clicking with you is it? Characters like Gallywix, Sylvanas and Garrosh? They were all inevitably going to leave the Horde in some way or another. As entertaining and interesting as they were they were also ticking timebombs that would go off and cause trouble at some point.
They were fun for a time, but that time is over. Gazlowe just wants the gobs to be a little less scummy to each other and actually produce reliable products. He’s not gonna start passing out peacebloom flower crowns, he just wants his people to get their crap together.
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A story should make fun in the idea of creating a fitting fantasy representing all races. Not note checked if they work well with 21st century morality.
Which is what Blizzard is doing right now for Goblins and undead by using Calia and Gazlowe as mouth pieces to deliver that message.
And it’s bad for all the fans that used to like this specific thing on the story itself. You understand that yes?
I have it on good authority that Gallywix will be coming back.
He’ll be joining the Alliance.
After his time with the Horde, he realized two things.
- The Horde is poor.
- The Alliance wins wars.
So, determined to be on the winning side and make a profit, he’ll be joining the Alliance, where he’ll be a responsible capitalist. By providing good customer service, quality products, and maintaining a stable and skilled workforce by investing in it, he’ll make much more money than he ever did working for the Horde.
Funny bait but I won’t bite it.
Goblins treating each other slightly better and trying to improve their work isn’t some nod to modern woke crap or whatever. It’s common decency and good business sense.
The message Calia is presenting is that the Forsake can be more than backstabbing monsters. She’s basically their PR department. Without her the forsaken would likely be viewed with even more distrust among their allies. And worse, if they were all still loyal to Sylvanas they’d be purged. Trading their goth dommy mommy for a sunday school teacher stinks but it’s a necessity.
You don’t honestly believe that every goblin on Azeroth is going to immediately start becoming some peacnik hippy because of this, do you? They’re not becoming green gnomes or some crap like that.
Again, this ultimately helps the Horde and will likely result in them getting better tech and weapons if their work ethic improves. Why is this a problem?
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Is a human princess and has no ties to the Forsaken outside the fact she was resurrected. She is fully alliance coded.
Sylvanas did nothing wrong and will return when the story needs her.
Gazlowe is literally preparing a socialist revolution as we speak.
I like Gallywix for the fun character that he is, but let’s be honest, it never really made sense that he was the faction leader. He was at best antagonizing in the goblin starter quests, and Thrall making him the leader of the Bilgewater always came across as ludicrous.
The only time I can remember his character being depicted with any kind of nuance and not as kind of a big joke was way, way, waaaaaaaay back during Mists of Pandaria in the short story “The Blank Scroll” where a couple goblins are getting help from some Lorewalker to find some magical artifact that’s able to summon characters from stories to life and to fight your battles.
Gallywix only shows up at the end of the story, and argues that he’s a monster, “but not that kind”. He doesn’t mind “selling you if you get careless. I’ll send you to die if it’ll help the cartel’s bottom line. But I won’t get you killed by stupidity or a big dumb weapon for nothing. That ain’t me.” He’s depicted as being a leader who does what’s best for his people, that he’s sorry for what has to happen to them sometimes, but isn’t ever sorry for anything he’s done. “So, yeah, I’m a monster. But I watch out for what’s mine. When I can.”
Aside from that one particular instance a decade ago, he’s seemed more like a reminder that goblins were never a serious race, and only exist to be a punchline. Honestly, I’d argue goblins are tied with gnomes for having suffered the least development of any playable race.
He should return and re-take Goblin leadership. It’s getting really boring under the current leader who seems to be a really nice guy and an extremely boring character. Look, I don’t mind the occasional goblin with a conscience, but that’s not who goblins really are. Not even your character if you look at the introductory quest line.
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Yeah I agree. The demontation of Gallywix and replace him with average nice guy person was wild. Blizzard seems keen of having all the races acting like normal humans in costumes of green or monsters but without their actual own distinct personality. A snoozfest.
Nah, Gallywix’s victorian era robber barons vs Gazlowes still pretty amoral modern capitalists sounds like a blast, especially if the hypothetical undermine content patch doesn’t fully sew things up
That wasn’t Blizzard. That was the previous writing team who lacked imagination and that is painfully obvious. I mean they can write a nice story about stuff they know, the conclusion of Sindragosa story was one, it was very nice, even the conclusion of the leadership dispute between the black dragons, very refreshing to see some display of maturity and developed wisdom. But anything outside the realm of “feeling” falls flat, Shadowlands and BFA are a testament to that. These people are unable to assume the perspective of anything that isn’t human, fully human, because these characters have to be human to some degree so we could understand them, but also inhuman so it can be what the Warcraft story has been and will always be, a fantasy story. But the writers cannot do that and I think that’s the reason they should have no business writing fantasy stuff.
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