Why do you people only ever want the elite sets?
Go complain about how the Gladiator drakes are exclusive too.
Or are you guys okay with taking away people’s bronze medals simply because they’re only bronze?
Also you’re not competing directly against anybody in PvE. PvE was never actually competitive outside realm first. The “competition” aspect of it is entirely player run, not attached to an in game ladder.
It’s not hard at all to reach 2k rating, hell even boosts to that level aren’t that expensive.
PvPers have been giving the short end of the stick for so many years now, let’s not take away what little they have left to feel good about PvPing in this game. God knows it’s not looking to get better any time soon.
I want the purple frost wyrm mount.
People bought pilots and boosts back then.
Give me the drake for marks of honor.
I think there’s a level of preservation that should be fairly maintained, that said, considering you can go back 2 expansions and solo/duo mythic raiding to get the mythic sets… it does confuse me that for some reason Elite remain extra prestigous.
With that said though, I think a fair system would be that if you reach 2k rating in a season, instead of unlocking the Elite transmog, it gives you an Elite outfit token that you can then use to buy any of the elite sets you choose- but only 1. So no matter what, you still only get 1 per season. This would be great if you think the current set is ugly AF/just don’t like it. And with this system, you will still only ever have the amount of Elite outfits equal to the amount of times you actually hit Elite.
Just my 2 cents. Really would’ve loved that option during 8.2 and 8.3, the elite sets for those were hideous and I would’ve happen chosen a previous Elite set instead.
its dumb lets be real, transmog should be open, people boost to it a majority of the time, dont gatekeep stuff, thats a big reason why newer players quit along with the toxicity, you can literally just buy anything basically
It’s worth remembering that pandaria was released in 2012 and there was a DK set that nobody uses - the red one.
Season 12 ended on March 5, 2013.
It’s 2022. It’s been 9 years. Basically, either all the DKs from that time that participated in season 12 stopped playing or very few DKs got this gear.
And this is honestly ridiculous. I pay attention to several DKs that pass by my side from all shards (different realms) and I never see them using the season 12 elite set.
I have this theory that at that time, no one played this season (at least the DKs) or whoever played, stopped playing nowadays, or whoever got this set doesn’t use it.
The green and blue version are very good. For me, it’s one of the best death knight sets. It doesn’t make sense that nobody uses it, or even that after 9 years there is no way to get these sets.
And it’s also worth mentioning that in pandaria there was a challenge mode and almost no one uses it. Every now and then I see a warrior or another with the giant weapon, but it’s really rare for players to use it.
With the mage tower back, they could do other challenges to get old sets.
No
Release recolours but leave limited time rewards limited
/necro thread
(continuing…)
And speculatively now - basically after WoD there was a HUGE drop in player numbers and those numbers only recovered (a little bit) after legion. Many new players have started playing legion (including friends of mine) who have never even heard of or seen these pandaria sets.
There are two friends of mine that usually go after a set that they end up seeing on WoWHead or google, and I always have to explain that these sets are locked and they comment - “but nobody uses them, I don’t see anyone out there using them” - so…that’s the problem and that’s my theory: the players were changed over time. I don’t believe 100% of today’s players have played pandaria (or pre-pandaria expansions).
And sincerely. Transmogs are a really big thing in this game, for a lot of players.
There is something that motivates players to replay old raids for sets, weapons and mounts all the time.
Locking or preventing players from trying to get something is basically “killing” a part of the game and consequently of the work of the artist who made that set - because if nobody uses it, for example, the DK set I mentioned, from season 12, that work is no longer seen by anyone and then falls into oblivion.
And that was the reason for one of those 2 friends that I mentioned, to almost stop playing. He only plays nowadays to do pvp with me (which is also a content full of problems and particularities that the company doesn’t solve or takes a long time to solve, with many inconsistencies and weird specs that are broken), and he’s lost the taste of going after xmogs because most of the ones he likes are locked.
So when someone comments -
“hey, no, no, no, these sets are limited, it’s a limited edition, no one can get it, no one can have it, I got it at that time, and if you didn’t play at that time it’s your problem, you can’t have this set and I am special”
This person is not understanding that there are players who may end up stopping playing because they don’t have a CHANCE to get something that they know the game has and can motivate them.
And the player who thinks this way ignores the work of this artist that will probably never be seen again.
And these are very childish ways of thinking.
If someone is quitting over 0.05% of appearances they can’t get they probably didn’t like wow very much
The “but who will think of the new players” thing over a very small handful of transmogs while so many more exist and are available is just so overdone
They released a recolour of elite cruel gladiator through the mage tower. That was fine. Recolours are good
Nice necro. Also still no. Leave the past in the past.
It’s almost certainly a psychological thing. Seeing that something’s unavailable flips a switch that inherently makes it more desirable.
Anyway, while the debates over FOMO rage on and probably will forever, PvP in WoW has pretty much always been built on season-based performance and season-based rewards to go with them. Basically, you had to be there. That said, the non-elite appearances are perpetually available and the game could certainly accommodate making elite appearances available in a similar vein. It could be something like vicious saddles, but with higher requirements. Keep the requirements necessary to obtain a season’s elite appearance, and if you reach it, you’re able to pursue past appearances as well. Some folks won’t like this either, but if they still have to actually be earned and with how volatile PvP can be, it seems fair enough.
That said, I’m not campaigning to ‘unlock’ stuff that’s no longer obtainable. Just suggesting an option!
I look at it two ways.
First, I agree completely that some “prestige” items should be exclusive to those who were there and did the work, they earned it.
HOWEVER, on the other hand, now that boosting is alot more prevalent and commonplace, those “prestige” items are not so much earned, but bought and should be made available through marks.
Kill boosting and you can keep the items/mounts exclusive, or leave boosting and make the stuff available through marks.
500 for a mount, and 250 for an armor set seems about right.
That way you still have to put in ALOT of work to get the stuff.
What does the rate of boosting now have to do with rewards earned in Cata-Legion, which tend to be the rewards people actually want when they ask for these to come back? Boosting without piloting wasn’t super common back then, especially for gladiator, and piloting is and has always been against the rules.
Sorry but this is a joke. Marks of honor can be earned by afking in epic battlegrounds and people earned thousands of them by autocompleting PvE world quests in Legion. Giving away gladiator mounts and old 2000/2200 elite sets for marks is a terrible idea.
Blizz’s answer to pvp boosting is to make all the elite sets look like garbage so no one feels bad about people getting them through carries.
It wasn’t commonplace but it was a thing. people have been account sharing in PVP since Vanilla. It was well known that many Grand Marshalls got there by people playing in shifts on the same toon. I was there and know what kind of inhuman grind it was to get there.
I was playing 4 or 5 hours a day through the week and 8 to 10 hours a day on the weekends and still only got to Lt Commander.
And most of those marks have been spent and it doesn’t change the fact those people earned them in PVP.
The whole “oh you can afk in bgs to earn them” is largely BS. AFKers are called out and removed pretty quickly. And lets not forget that to get a mark ya gotta win, something many Alliance players can tell you, is far from a sure thing.
You just said that boosting without piloting was a thing and then immediately justified it by talking about account-sharing, which is piloting and was again, against the rules.
Winning random/epic BGs is not hard, I have a 70%-80% w/l ratio on almost all of my characters regardless of faction. It also is completely unrepresentative of what it took to get older elite sets or especially gladiator mounts. You are going to have a hard time convincing anybody that earning marks of honor should entitle you to the same reward given for ending the season in the top 0.5% of the ladder.
And yet you can get the Vanilla PVP armor sets for transmog by getting 1800 rating, which i am told is cake, especially now with boosting.
Thanks for helping my point.
Our armor we got from that hell grind back in the day isn’t sacred, neither should the rest of it be then.
No, and they shouldn’t.
Eh, you had the Blue Set which usually is the same in design as the Epic set far easier. And all of them in TBC were changed to cost honor. The R14 system was the worst PvP system ever.
Why shouldn’t they? The idea that older assets should be abandoned doesn’t make sense.
There should never be something you can’t get in game.