I guess I just choose to believe people who claim they’re being bullied. If that makes me guillable, I’d rather be that than pessimistic and distrusting
I don’t know when not believing stops and interrogation begins on the forums.
Then they must not have Unless this happened today and OP thinks Blizz should act as soon as they submit a report.
Nah, I don’t believe anything anyone tells me, where’s the evidence
“Kaurmine the sky is blue”
suspicious heads outside to check
If the accusation isn’t against a specific person, and I’m not the one in charge of delivering punishment, then it doesn’t matter.
If the specific person is lying, her situation still happens to others.
Same.
Also I see open racism including support for white supremacist “intellectuals” and thought leaders in global channels repeatedly from the same characters.
Unless they use open racial slurs they can with bare minimum coding call for genocide and all kinds of other crap that on any social media platform would get them banned sooner or later. Blizzard doesn’t care.
They’ve clearly long since moved to largely automated reporting review systems to punishing people whose flagged text entries contain words on an internal naughty list of some sort (e.g. you can banned for 4 letter curse words said not in malice or hate but as long as a white nationalist doesn’t use any of those words they can transparently try and recruit kids, make channels unsafe for minorities, etc).
The problem with automation is it will never be able to account for human sentiment. If someone tells me to go to the kitchen and make a sandwich none of those words are naughty words yet put together that’s offensive and sexist. But it would take human reviewers time (and therefore cost Blizz $$$$ they don’t to spend) to catch and punish things like that. So they do the bare minimum. Ban people who spam racial slurs and say they care.
Also no I won’t address or reply to the people who defend Blizz on everything claiming that the above isn’t true. It transparently is. They are a company who regularly lies to their customers on a variety of fronts and yet these people expect them to tell the truth and admit that they’ve not only completely gutted what was once a world class customer service experience the envy of most companies and games but done so to the point that people are and are not punished based on amounts of flagging, automated reviews of text against word lists or similar non-human scrutinized systems (we know for a fact that the GMs they have are severely overworked by among other things response times, increasing reports in the community here, on reddit, etc of automated canned first responses that don’t even address the ticket which has to show either contempt by GMs for players and poor work ethic, automation of some sort, and/or severely overworked workers trying to triage and fit everything into neat canned responses to meet quotas per hour or day) . I’m not saying the devs wanted that or are doing it out of malice towards the players as clearly this was a decision made by corporate managers for cost cutting reasons but the devs would get the grief anyways if they admitted it.
I think it’s heavily automated. Maybe not. But it’s a difference without a distinction whether it’s bad automation or extremely overburdened and overworked employees (or a combination I suspect) who don’t have time to properly review and act on reports (among other things consider those who post content on multiple lines in trade or lfg where neither line by itself is actionable, it would take significant time for an overworked employee to look at their overall history when contemplating action instead of just glancing at the reported line, deciding it’s fine and marking resolved).
I applaud your altruism if not your lack of tact. The OP DID levy an accusation against a specific entity though, they accused Blizzard of not enforcing their rules about Racism and Sexism. We’ve been provided ample information contrary to that accusation, and that these are issues Blizzard does in fact take seriously.
Yes, the situation does happen to others, and as we’ve had accounts from such users here, it’s something they’ve witnessed Blizzard has handled. So it goes to reason the OP is the very reason WHY people are suspicious of these posts, because we have evidence contrary to their assertions that Blizzard is a do nothing entity when it comes to these issues.
The sky is grey. At least it is here in Michigan.
I use that analogy with my students
I swear the WoW forums are the only place you can read something like this and the poster will be dead serious lol.
I don’t get it.
And I am dead serious, it’s the best option
I’m not going to change and I’m not going to just continue having them around me knowing I won’t change.
I get sticking to core values. I don’t get being resistant to any sort of feedback at all. Nobody is perfect and feedback tends to help us grow and think. Even if we ultimately decide not to go that way.
Surrounding yourself with “yes men” who are never offended or who won’t speak to you about anything…seems self defeating for personal growth.
Unless that is what you want. Your view to be supported and only that.
Not my thing.
Feedback? You can give me all the feedback you want, as long as that feedback isn’t “don’t say that” because I’m going to say what I want.
Yes men? Who said anything about that? You don’t have to agree with me, you can disagree all you want, as long as you don’t ask me not to say what I want idc.
All people don’t grow from the same things
I think you got the wrong idea.
Nor mine
This seems a tad ironic coming from a Community Council member, ngl. You personally seem like a good person but the idea itself seems like Blizzard specifically surrounding themselves with “yes men” so they don’t have to deal with the “toxic community”.
No one ever got banned for calling my rogue the n word b word. Shes a black skinned human toon. And yes, i got called it in open chat, as well as IMs. I reported both.
The idea of “yes men” means people who never say no or dispute ideas. Offer different opinions - mostly out of fear they will be rejected from a social/work/sports circle.
The MVPs and Council are completely free to disagree with Blizzard and I have for years. Often harshly.
The difference is being able to express disagreement without swearing, calling for people to be fired, wishing horrible things to happen, etc. I know that sounds like basic discourse standards, but sadly the internet seems to thing being as aggressive and nasty as possible will somehow get them somewhere? It may get clicks and money on social media. It does not get you anywhere with actual humans who want reasonable feedback and a civil conversation.
You can disagree without profanity, threats, hyperbole, etc. It does not make you a “yes man”.
Edit - For those who don’t know me. I have been a TS/CS MVP since 2013, then D3 Community, then WoW Community, and now WoW Community Council. My main role has always been interacting with the forums and answering questions about CS/TS issues - and also basic game functions and resources. My role is to help PLAYERS…and yes, that means I don’t always agree with Blizz. I will still help folks deal with the current systems though, even if I don’t think they are great.
I want to know why people think you get banned for racism or sexism. Did Blizz say that somewhere? I only find the term “racist” once in the EULA
You further represent and warrant that you will not use or contribute User Content that is unlawful, tortious, defamatory, obscene, invasive of the privacy of another person, threatening, harassing, abusive, hateful, racist or otherwise objectionable or inappropriate. Blizzard may remove any User Content and any related content or elements from the Platform at its sole discretion.
and it’s in the user created content category
User Created or Uploaded Content. The Platform may provide you an opportunity to upload and display content on the Platform, such as on the Blizzard forums, and/or as part of a Game, including the compilation, arrangement or display of such content (collectively, the “User Content”).
Sexism is nowhere to be found.
Neither are mentioned in
either. Though it does say
Hate speech and discriminatory language
which they would fall under but that’s in the same category as all other chat infractions so … if someone has another Blizzard source for me to look at that says “Racist and Sexist chat infractions are grounds for first time offense bans” I would appreciate it
Is the epitome of sexism and racism. If someone doesnt think racism or sexism is based in hate and discrimination, theres no legitimate dialogue to be had with that person.
Sure. Let me clear up the point I’m making.
When participating in communication of any kind (chat, voice communication, group finder), you are responsible for how you express yourself. You may not use language that could be offensive or vulgar to others.
Hate speech and discriminatory language is inappropriate, as is any obscene or disruptive language. Threatening or harassing another player is always unacceptable, regardless of language used. Violating any of these expectations will result in account restrictions. More serious and repeated violations will result in greater restrictions.
Since it is lumped in with everything else that means that all those things share the same weight when it comes to a punishment. Like if I had a list of things that you go to jail for 1 year for
- Tax evasion
- Not paying speeding tickets
- Murder
- Public urination
Would you pick out murder from that list and say you are going to jail for decades if you are convicted? Why? It’s in the same list as the other things you get 1 year for so you’ll get 1 year for murder as well. Extreme example yes but I’m confused why people are picking out racism and sexism and saying “You’ll get a bigger punishment for that” when it’s just another offense in the pile.