I’m also worried about them increasing dungeon difficulty with each raid tier. What is the progression path for an alt that you level in the middle of the expansion. You will be in leveling green and the dungeons will have been re-tuned around ulduar level raid gear. If heroics arnt available to alts after release doesnt that basically mean blizz is pushing everyone into GDKP’s. I smell a wow token coming.
I suspect they know classic will die after wotlk and once everyone is in the door (hit 80) they will introduce a wow token knowing they have nothing to lose. It also explains why RFD is gone for another reason, if you can only get badges from raids or scaled up dungeons and there is no daily RFD quest anymore, your ONLY path to gear will be GDKP’s for gear and badges.
Honestly, the alt gearing problem is probably part of their “Changes to itemization”. If you look at what they do in retail, the difficulty of normal dungeons doesn’t change during an expansion, however the gear starts dropping much better gear with each raid tier. The heroics tune up, but again, they are now dropping much higher ilvl gear, so you are still increasing your character. So it will likely be something like:
P1 High end normals drop ilvl 187 blues, Heroics drop 200 ilvl blues, raids drop 200 ilvl purples, and 25 mans drop 213 ilvl purples.
Fastforward to phase 2, and It will likely be ilvl 200 from high end normals, 213 from Heroics/Naxx (10/25) 219 from Ulduar 10, and 226 from Ulduar 25.
P3 prolly 213 from High end normals, 219 from Heroics/naxx 226 from Ulduar(10/25) etc.
I’m… not sure that’s a good idea. Item level inflation is also really bad, and with emblems you can buy previous gear already - plus BoEs. I don’t see having the same loot be scaled to a higher ilvl as a good thing, especially looking at items like Meteorite Whetstone which is absurdly strong. Otherwise, we might end up with a situation where players feel obligated to grind dungeons for higher ilvl versions of certain items that are just too good.
The catch up systems in Wrath are already light years ahead of TBC and vanilla.
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I agree, it’s not even a sub optimal option. It’s a flat out terrible option. But if you have been reading all the same things I have, it seems blizzard is going out of their way to ruin wrath classic.
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It’s been said, but it is literally only so people will buy boosts. Why play the game when you can just swipe your card and win?
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That’s because people don’t want to spend hours trying to find the people who actually want to do the dungeon and also don’t want to run the risk of A: Dying and running back to the entrance and B: Not getting the loot they want.
The latter being the most common.
When I started in classic I spent 3 days trying to recruit for Wailing Caverns to get the Deviate Hide Belt recipe and a chance at dropping Venomstrike.
But I couldn’t find anyone who wasn’t just going to boost me through the dungeon for 10g.
So I gave up playing,and when I came back in TBCC I had to solo the dungeon cause I still couldn’t find anyone who actually wanted to do WC.
Now,if we had the random dungeon finder I probably could have done the dungeon with people my own level.
And sure the stuff I needed might not have dropped or could have been stolen from me but I’d rather run that risk and have fun actually doing the dungeon with others rather than having some bored max level on raid cooldown do it simply because it was a better option than sitting in Shattrath joking on the LFG chat about random stuff.
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I mean, no - that’s not what happens. I don’t know how many times we have to say this, but RDF allows you to enter the queue and then go off and do whatever you want until it’s ready. Whether you’re questing, training, shopping at the AH, whatever - as soon as your group comes up you’re golden. The only people who would AFK in a city are the ones who would rather be botting or sitting AFK in a dungeon while a mage grinds XP for them.
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Completely false, it’s LFD lovers that want the boost. They are the 0 effort players that want to sit around in the city afk teleport to dungeon and/or afk inside the dungeon. Whatever allows them to rush rush rush to their loot crate.
In retail you can do all of that so go there.
Most of us just want to play wrath how it was originally, with NO LFD. That crap was added in the last patch of Wrath and immediately subs began their collapse.
The new LFG tool they’ve added in looks lit anyway, why would you ever want LFD over it? Rhetorical question. I know you want to afk as much as possible.
Saying people who want LFD are the people who would buy boosts if it was implemented is stupid lol. We want LFD so we can actually level in a way other than questing. People who are anti-lfd seem to fit the bill for boosting because they love sitting around doing nothing. ( Spamming lfg channel, afking in front of a board all day and not leaving the city)
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History has proven that LFD decimates the open world because people don’t start doing what you said, people afk in cities and wait for queues. Questing isn’t as fun when you don’t bump into people anymore, dungeons are not fun or meaningful because you just queue in with afk bots who you never spoke a word to and never will in the dungeon, and even if you did you’ll never see again.
Completely false. I hate the boost, and am really irritated that it’s in the game. In my opinion the boost is one of the biggest advantages the bots have at making high level characters to bot with, and encourages botting by so much more now than what we had back in original tbc/wrath. If they removed the boosts all together I would be ecstatic. I am also really happy about them removing dungeon boosting from mages, because that’s been absolutely terrible for finding dungeon groups while leveling alts.
I personally enjoy running dungeons, far more than doing quests. ESPECIALLY in the 1-60 range. I don’t mind tbc forward quests so much. And I am a pro RDF/LFD person. I love the thought of being able to pop into dungeons constantly throughout my leveling experience and dungeon grind the full way up.
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Clueless. You’re getting FREAKIN HEIRLOOMS. This will be the biggest walk in the park for alt leveling to date in Classic that doesn’t involve DEGENERATE AFK boosting gameplay.
To be honest, the alt experience to me seems like it’ll be worse BECAUSE of how easy it is. At least in Classic the old world was populated, the experience was somewhat challenging, more elites in the world etc.
There are a plethora of exp nerfs and QoL changes by the time WotLK leveling hits that already suck a lot of the fun out of it. Having a paid boost option only makes it worse and takes even more people out of the old world.
Pro tip: If you get bored leveling alts, stop thinking about the end and focus on the journey. Presumably you’re leveling an alt because you don’t already have one of this class, so min/max it every step of the way on your way up. Stop and do profession stuff along the way to help your effectiveness etc. maybe look for achievements you can work on during the process if it floats your boat.
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You’re screaming into the void friend.
They act like begging for a party in chat for hours is fun. Got clowns running this place LOL.
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You really think 100-150 hours per character doing the exact same quests over and over is fun? It’s bearable once. It’s unnecessarily tedious every time after that.
People will just stop playing if they find out their first character isn’t meta and can’t get into groups. Having to do it all over again is rough. If they gave us better tools to level, maybe let us get more exp in bgs and non-boosted dungeons, it would break up the monotony of a formulaic quest leveling experience.
From the polling I’ve seen, people want some variety in the leveling experience.
I see that as a problem for the health of the servers, but maybe you don’t care?
I want multiple characters in wotlk to support my classic guild. I’ll end up buying the Blizzard boosts on different accounts, so I suppose their strategy of boring leveling is working.
Yeah yeah, that’s why they are implementing the LFG tool to avoid that.
We’ll see if it helps. The current lfg tool is used by no one, so they are copying the bulletin board addon. Here’s hoping they aren’t lazy about it again.
All we have to do is show Blizzard that it would make more money if they introduce RDF. Until then, it will not happen.
Reminder: LFD was not in Wrath on Release.
There are many different paths to take for leveling. You don’t have to do the same quests, you don’t have to kill the same mobs ro do the same grinds. Quitting because you aren’t the meta is an issue with the player, especially when a vast amount of players don’t play the meta to the level that it would make a difference.
There is no boosting community for leveling.
People who want boosts just ask in the chat and they are invited and summoned (sometimes).
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