… welcome Jaina back into the Alliance after she threw a tantrum when they arguably needed her most(being invaded by the strongest and most unstoppable force in the universe a couple days after their king died).
Another question, why didnt she save Varian? There’s no argument that she’s way more powerful than him. Why didn’t she take on the Fel Reaver at the Broken Shore? Why didn’t she mass tp the Alliance out?
She’s as responsible as anyone on the Horde was for the loss of Varian and the shore…
For one we know that Jaina was helping fight the Legion, in her own way.
Second, she knows how much pain Jaina was in and can empathize with her choice.
You assume the Legion didnt have spells preventing teleportation/she didnt exhaust herself trying to stop the Legion. No one in the Alliance is blaming her for his death, why are you?
Fighting a few demons on your own is barely helping. A farmer with a pitchfork could kill a few demons on their own. Jaina is the strongest mortal mage in Azeroth.
I’m not going to assume that with no evidence.
If people can blame the Horde for the loss, I can blame Jaina. Everyone else swallowed their pride to work with one another except her. And then as soon as the Alliance goes to war with the Horde, she comes back as a formidable force. Yeah, no. That’s selfish and immature. It doesn’t matter how much the Horde has done to her. The existence of the planet is at stake. If she were present during Legion and still came during BfA, it’d be fine.
Would be dead before they even saw the demon, don’t pretend otherwise.
So why assume she left Varian to die?
She had her priorities. She fought the Legion on her own. I’d ask if you would be satisfied if we later learn her work on her own actually made it possible for us to beat the Legion, but you seem to firmly have your opinion set, and would probably see such a revelation as white-washing.
A farmer with a pitch fork would be killed instantly by a Doomlord. A quick check of her comic showed she was attacking Doomlords and Dreadlords solo.
Vexander beat me to it, then you can’t assume Jaina let Varian die. Especially considering it goes against every Jaina would stand for.
Oh please, SOME swallowed their pride and worked with neutral organization. Once the Broken Shore happened many in the Alliance/Horde fought their own battles. As for blame, ingame no one in the Alliance blames Jaina and lay the blame squarely on the Horde for it.
Because she was on the shore and was completely absent when Varian was getting killed? Context clues
I mean, yeah, I would. But I like to argue the lore as if Blizzard doesn’t completely suck as writing. So I’d concede the point. Maybe you should just stop assuming things?
Not impressive. PCs can fight Doomlords and Dreadlords solo. She could have done so much more.
This still doesn’t invalidate my argument for Jaina. It was selfish and immature.
What? Why would she teleport at all up until that point?
Velen, Alleria, Turalyon, Anduin, Tyrande, and Malfurion did way more than she did.
Well, you’re entitled to your opinion. But if you’d rather hold onto your pride than do all you can to protect your world… that’s the definition of selfish.
I think mass teleporting would be a little much for a chasm. Teleporting wastes a lot of your energy, right? Why would she waste all that energy when she could make a frost bridge that’s arguably more effective.
You just said she was soloing Dreadlords and Doomlords? Do you know or do you not?
You could. But she did not. She abandoned everyone else in Azeroth and went lone wolf.
Jaina’s absence from the final cinematic of the Broken Shore is not some kind of proof that she left Varian to die. It’s a plot hole that Blizzard has refused to address. Nothing more.
I don’t see any value in this discussion because this kind of thread does nothing but have people assuming wrong things about the story while excusing Blizzard for their terrible storytelling.
Jaina, due to Exhaustion or being surrounded by demons or being distracted or whatever other reason we might dream up, did not stay to save Varian. The exact same crime the Horde is guilty of.
I’d argue that neither she nor the horde should be blamed for Varian’s death, and that anyone tried to assume some kind of malicious intent on the Horde’s part in this situation was contrived and stupid.
It hardly even matters now, though. Even if the horde’s actions on the Broken shore were entirely innocent, everything they’ve had us do since then makes the horde so evil that if Sylvanas had run over and shot Varian in the back that’d hardly even be a drop in the bucket of our Saturday-morning Cartoon Villainy.
