I think there are two issues being combined frequently in those posts. Starting a group and forming a group are two distinct activities that are thought of as distinct.
In a world where the supply of any role cannot meet the demand, those in higher demand can be more selective to their groups. If I make a group for a M0 with a rogue I don’t have linked to my main, many tanks and healers worth their salt aren’t likely to queue up because they have no reason to suspect we would be successful. They can join a group led by someone who is overgeared and has already completed that dungeon at a higher level.
Sure, nothing stops me from starting a group. But when considering the time it will take to actually pull the first mob, it may very well take less time to apply to other groups where the leader has more credentials, even if I will experience decline after decline.
As with many other things with WoW, this isn’t really communicated to players. A lot of people, myself included, take for granted how many basic concepts work in the game that I’ve picked up over 2 decades. By definition, forming a group makes you the leader of that group. Even if you pass leadership over to another player once you have the group going, you are still responsible for having selected that team and any failure will reflect on you in at least a small way.
I make my own group on my warlock and WW monk host my own group for m0 30mins in and only one dps apply. Host another m0 on my guaridan druid and tons of people apply. If you are a low ilvl dps even hosting your own group doesn’t help. If you play a tank or a healer people will take you in even if your ilvl is a bit lower since there aren’t many tanks and healers pugging.
Just for context my warlock and WW monk both are around 486 ilvl KSH and the druid is 485 I think.
I agree to some extent. I do feel some responsibility for how the run goes but ultimately the only person taking a risk other than with their time is the person with the key anyhow. So if people want to rage about what happened to my own keystone then I’ll just let them and ignore it.
how is this different from joining a pug? There is no place that states that the leader has to take the reins should anything go wrong.
5 times out of 10 or more it’s actually another player who explains things or intervenes.
I dont want to deal with it, if Iam a leader I might have to it. joined an amirdrassil hc tuesday and ppl are messing up the leader needed to remake the group like 3 times, I dont want that headache, I did my job, I cleared it, then I dip
People feel like they have to actually lead any groups they form and understand every dungeon fully.
Even if they do try to form groups a moderately geared dps will wait a long time for that group to fill. Most folks might look for higher ilvl or someone who is not a dps.
