N’zoth’s prison location is a bit of a crapshoot, but what has bothered me most of all is how his prison doesn’t appear to have any Keepers/Watchers at all guarding it. At least there’s no evidence there are/were.
Just after Y’shaarj gets yanked off, the Pantheon realizes this was a mistake. N’zoth was the one imprisoned first because I guess he was the easiest to find/capture (possibly because he was relatively the closest to Y’shaarj when the Titans intervened?). But from what we can see of his prison, he has no actual Keepers.
In the Eternal Palace raid, there’s no hint that they, like the Mogu, may have encountered Titan tech while building the Palace and civilization on-top of N’zoth’s prison. The only thing actually Titan appears to be the platform with the mechanism, and the pillars and chains binding N’zoth.
Every other Old God has had quite a large number of Titan-forged or Titan Keepers/Watchers kept in their vicinity to monitor and maintain their prisons. Why was N’zoth’s prison seemingly left with no inherent defenses? Even G’huun had MOTHER.
There’s also the confusion over whether N’zoth was already underwater (somehow) pre-Sundering, as was implied with the Azshara Warbringer. So did he not have Keepers/Watchers because they couldn’t function underwater? Maybe post-Sundering, the disruption was enough to cause the Keepers/Watchers to not function or be destroyed, but somehow didn’t displace the main bindings keeping N’zoth imprisoned?
Then the other possibility is that one of the first things Azshara and the naga did was to destroy any Keepers/Watchers that were near his prison, which is possible, but strange they didn’t keep some of the tech. Honestly if that was the case, I kinda would have liked some kind of loot or something to hint that that was what happened.
Maybe they all drowned or something i mean if c,thun gets minimal watch n’zith who is weaker might get even less. Nzoth coukd have also dealth with his watchers like ghunn must have.
It probably had some minor titanic keepers but it’s very likely that Azshara and her naga took care of them a long time ago. I believe that there are only a few major ones like Mimiron or Thorim. But they were just too occupied and trapped with their war with Loken in Ulduar for so long that they ended up neglecting the other facilities.
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Azshara and the naga probably kicked out any titanic guardians that may have been present.
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It was too wet (joking).
But yeah, this seems more likely. Basically every single Titan facility has had some minor defenders. But after the main Watchers in Northrend fell, everything else started to get taken over or out.
Also, to address this. My assumption is that either the cinematic was an error or he was under a random lake or some underwater lake.
N’zoth was supposedly the weakest god. So y put a keeper
I believe this is another case of blame Odyn.
He was supposed to be in charge of keeping Azeroth safe, but he chose to nope out because the titans trusted dragon things to help him, and then got himself imprisoned by his abused foster daughter Helya.
Odyn also pretty much sabotaged everything by compromising a titan facility to make his halls and breaking the plan the titans had for keeping the Old Gods contained.
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As much as I dislike Odyn, I wouldn’t agree this is true. Making the Halls of Valor didn’t cause problems. Loken did, via his actions/deceits. His failure mostly being due to the death of the Pantheon.
Odyn is a bad man. A very bad man.
While he was a selfish lout, and responsible for many foul deeds, it may be best that he did throw his tantrum and take off. If he had remained in Ulduar, he most likely would have been over taken by Yogg Saron, anyway, and would have made Ulduar a bigger problem.
He did the wrong thing, but it was for the best. Like a bad parent who ditches their children for selfish reasons, he may have made things worse by sticking around.
C’thun managed to fully corrupt his watchers most likely due to Ra-den going into full on depression upon learning the titans were killed. We know that Ra-dens “disappearance” ultimately lead to the reign of 100 kings in Mogu history and to Lei Shen’s rule. And the mogu were assigned to guard the Vale of Eternal blossoms (thus the heart of Y’shaarj) from the mantid.
Yogg-saron was able to do the same all because Loken couldn’t keep it in his pants. (odyn throwing a hissy fit over the aspects didn’t help either)
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very likely they were destroyed.
he was totally chained up
Or at least there was chains around him?
Im sure there were chains of some sort?
I swear to god i saw metal down there!
It’s gotta be they were killed. He’s been subverting the defences keeping him in place for thousands of years, I’m sure the first thing he did was destroy the keepers containing him so they couldn’t do what the Ulduar keepers did to Yogg’saron.
Azshara had 10k years and an army to kill all titan guardians. But had not enough power to pick a lock
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Clearly she didn’t have enough locking smith points or was too prideful to call a locksmith.
she’s a mage, not a rogue after all
It seems like that’s the only infallible part of Titan prisons to be honest. In 10000 years Azshara couldn’t crack some magical chains and it took Yogg’saron compromising his entire prison and its wardens before he even managed to break a few of them.
As an aside, what is that thing in the cutscene that causes the prison to fail? Some kind of lock mechanism? I haven’t actually done the fight yet.
There’s also the lack of any Titan-Forged armies and Titan-forging facilities in N’zoth’s vicinity. Mogu for Y’shaarj, Tolvir for C’thun, and the Vrykul and originally iron Dwarves and Gnomes for Yogg. They represent one of the baseline defenses that the Pantheon makes for suppressing an Old God, but there’s no evidence of a Titan-forging facility anywhere near N’zoth’s facility, if he even had any.
One thing that just occurred to me tho, is that N’zoth may have feign a lot more weakness than normal just to make sure the Pantheon would give his imprisonment the least coverage possible. Yogg and C’thun prolly fought like crazy while being imprisoned, so it became necessary to focus a lot of defenses like the Titan-Forged just to suppress them and keep them quiet.
Maybe N’zoth went quietly just to pretend he didn’t need as much supervision, so only a rudimentary lock and the chains was placed on him. Plus later the naga helping to destroy any remaining Keepers (tho I would again, have liked some loot to reflect or architecture to reflect that).
Edit: Oh, another thing that occurred to me. Let’s assume Chronicle is accurate with N’zoth’s prison location being as it is. Would it have been possible that the kaldorei civilization had encountered whatever Titan-Forged and Titan-forging facilities were in their vicinity, and somehow and for some reason, destroyed them even prior to the Sundering?
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My guess would be that Odyn and Helya probably would have been looking after it if they hadn’t got so distracted and locked away to their own planes.
Though it does surprise me now that he is free Odyn isn’t sending his Valajar to check on all these facilities and start purging the old god forces that have taken over.