Why wasnt Sylvannas offered what any other soul is offered after her death in the ICC?

Hey guys. Legit question.

Very new to wow lore, but from what I gathered, Sylvannas actual death only happened after she threw herself off the ICC. Before that she was stuck between life and death while in the command of Arthas or after that. Undeath, that is.

My question is, since she died in ICC and only saw despair after her death, I assume she was sent to the maw. Why exactly wasnt she offered redemption like any other soul? Why was she throw in the Maw (by the arbiter?) without having to experience one of the shadowlands worlds. Didnt Sylvannas “died” protecting Silvermoon against the scourge invasion? Is that anything between this scourge invasion and the arthas death and her suicide that made her soul unredeemable?

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Because they didn’t plan this far ahead. At all. It’s all a big retcon.

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We’re shown the Jailer has Mawsworn Kyrian that can freely leave the Maw and take souls. It’s very likely she was picked up before any regular Kyrian could.

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They are riding Arthas’ coat-tails so much, it’s kinda pathetic.

We already know they’re going to do the Sylvanas Kerrigan nonsense, too. What a joke.

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Basically.

Sylvanas story as been retconned a lot, its just a mess.

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There are several theories, but none are confirmed by Blizzard yet.

Some of the more popular are:

  • Since she died by falling on saronite it messed things up.
  • The Jailer bypassed the Arbiter and pulled her in, in order to make her his pawn.
  • Like Uther did to Arthas, a Kyrian judged her instead of the Arbiter.

It is all speculation until Blizzard confirms the truth.

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There’s a Kyrian-only world quest where you’re put in charge of judging souls, whether to accept them into the Shadowlands or send them back to Azeroth.

Undead are ALWAYS sent back to Azeroth. Always. No exceptions.

Except for Kel’thuzad, apparently, which just shows that Blizzard’s designers don’t talk to each other.

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More than likely she wasn’t judged by the Arbiter and the Jailer pulled her directly into the Maw. As Anduin hinted, she is just a weapon to him.

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According to Bwonsamdi:

Icecrown. It be more dan a pretty throne. It be an anchor dat holds dis world to da next, ya might say.

So Icecrown is a place that is closely tied to the Shadowlands. And when the sky shattered, we got to see that Icecrown and Torghast are basically “on top of each other”.

I reckon that the Jailer or one of his associates managed to grab Sylvanas’ soul before the Kyrians could, and they took her straight to the Maw, bypassing the Arbiter.

We know that is possible because Uther did it to Arthas.

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I believe the retcon is that she was killed by Frostmourne which sent her soul directly to the Jailer when she died… for the 3rd(?) time.

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There is no indication that she wasn’t judged by the Arbiter and found that her action as the Banshee Queen wasn’t deserving of the Maw.

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Because the WOW afterlife was retconned for Shadowlands.

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Most likely all the undead are doomed to the Maw because they are tainted with the power of it. (not all just the ones the Lich King created). Uther is the only soul that didn’t go into it because of the intervention of the Light and see what happened to Bastion just because of one cursed soul.

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I think the biggest indication of that is that… There are lots of people who are much worse than Post-WotLK Pre-Cata Sylvanas in Revendreth.

Kil’brek the Consumer

Kil’brek the Consumer. Firstblade of the Morradi. Arrogant. Cruel.

By his command, opponents were not merely broken, but shattered into dust.

By his command, peaceful races were hunted, tormented, and slain.

By his command, the six civilizations of Orantus fell to ruin.

And yet, he chose to spare a single village in a rare moment of mercy.

For his weakness, his execution was ordered – and thus the Consumer became the Consumed.

If this mercy could be fostered, his soul may yet be redeemed.

Like, this guy destroyed six civilizations. What did Sylvanas do before Cataclysm that was worse than destroying 6 civilizations? lol

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It’s quite possible that she only saw the possibility that the Jailer wanted her to see, which would mean that the Jailer had plans for her all along.

At best, she’d go to Bastion. At worst, Revendreth. Very likely she’d have ended up in Maldraxxus.

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Didnt some valkyr save her?

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That isn’t proof that she didn’t judge her and see a darkness in her (that was have since seen) and understood that she could never be redeemed.

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Nope, there are undead among the random aspirants in Bastion.

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She was probably doomed to go to the maw or maybe to revendreth but was taken straight to the maw instead by the Jailer I think. The way she wanted to kill so many using the plague was enough to make me think she would go to either one of those places. I got feels that she will end up “redeeming” herself somehow and end up the ruler of maldraxxus since that seat sits empty.

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Doesn’t this conversation kind of prove Sylvanas AND the Jailer are in the right in this war? The afterlife designed by Blizzard is incomprehensibly dumb and inconsistent, and it determines people’s eternal fates. Her ending mortal lives prematurely seems easily justifiable in service of a war to change the afterlife into something sensible.

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