Its 100% a response to toxic campers , I enjoy some good pvp but not sure why people use their life just to run around looking for un-fair fights.
Release bg’s on Tuesday blizz, why not?
TBH Was there even pvp besides hot spots? everyone was noobs and running around scratching their head half the time, and our computers were so laggy we probably didn’t even notice that dude there behind us.
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A lot of people thought phase 2 would be the golden age of Classic. And if Classic was like 2005 vanilla it might have been.
But Classic is not like 2005 vanilla, and it can’t be because the players today understand the honor-system and are hyper-focused on maximizing their honor-per-hour.
If world PvP had been contained primarily to SS vs TM like it was in 2005, or some Orgrimmar/Stormwind raids, people would go there if they wanted to PvP, and the rest of the world would still be open to do other things. But since the best way to rank is to gank level 50’s then we have deathsquads everywhere killing everyone, and every flight point and boat is camped.
I could care less what you think Phase 2 should be, or what Phase 2 was in 2005. I’m only concerned with what Phase 2 actually is in 2019.
Phase 2 is just honor farmers griefing other players 10+ hours a day to get unblizzlike, overpowered epic gear.
The only way to fix phase 2 is to give honor farmers somewhere to get their honor that doesn’t make the game unplayable for everyone else.
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’ No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it’s not the same river and he’s not the same man.’
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Not gonna lie…the more I think about it, the more sad it is that they can’t seem to just patch it in.
If it’s by choice, it’s a crummy choice. “Give them something to look forward to; it’s how you retain players.” Yeah, that only goes so far, especially with something that we KNOW is ready to go and how it works.
If it’s due to technical limitations, then…well, I guess I’ll stick to my “It’s just sad” comment.
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I know right …All these people acting like when BG’s come out that the horde will just vanish from the world or something…
So let me get this straight,
you think people drop their sub because of being farmed at world pvp, but they won´t drop their sub while being farmed on BG GY´s? 
I mean, things won´t change, this is Vanilla pvp as it always was and the premades will roll over pugs in most BG´s.
Releasing BG´s, won´t keep people, it´s just Blizzard doing something that makes no real sense atm.
While you wait in queue for a BG you do world pvp. So nothing will change, I am afraid. When I made my two Rank 14 titles, I always did world pvp as we had queues too.
Besides that, I am quite confident that many people who farm flightpoints or boats, are not interested in Rank 14. We had a Rogue on our Vanilla server, who did farm lowbies all around the world. He did not need the HK´s, he was just there enjoying his time.
Because of cross realm the number of pugs will be far greater. For premades itll be businesz as usual, but itll be better for pugs to compete for honor.
I am wondering if that is truly the case. On retail, meeting a premade is very common on EU, maybe 70% of my matches are against them or were, I did not play BFA yet. It´s so rare to meet a pug.
It will be interesting to watch I think.
bgs wont save you from wpvp we need something to do while waiting for queue times so wpvp…lol.
Yeah dunno. I I only played panda for a couple months. Prior to that it was early tbc.
I actually agree with you. Luckily I knew what to expect having experienced this on Ely/LH and rolled on a normal server.
I think it’s the level of ganking that they are complaining about. I’m sure you had gankers before the honor patch, but you didn’t see that much complaining. The complaining started once the honor patch hit and everyone ran out to farm honor. Those players will move to BGs since they are more efficient, and ganking will likely return to the pre honor system levels.
And yes, horde in queue might try to wpvp, but keep in mind that you have to queue at the BG entrance, or in a capitol. You also return to where you queued upon completion of the BG. Traveling takes time in classic, so unless queues are really long, this might not be all that practical.
Just because a minority of the horde are going to hearth to Kargath between games and continue to gank, and just because an even smaller minority will continue to gank at flight paths, doesn’t mean “nothing will change”.
Once BG’s launch a large percentage of the people ganking in the open world will run BG’s and nothing else. And because some zones take a long time to get to from capital cities, PvP’ers won’t bother to make the trip between BG’s.
BG’s won’t stop all world PvP, but anyone who says “nothing will change” is a liar.
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What’s even more sad is i got a 2 day silence for that comment
I’m pretty sure there was no drop in sub but I can bet its in response to the huge drop in play time. I myself went from 10 hr WoW days to playing 2-3 hours because every farming spot, leveling spot, world boss and transport is being camped by horde 24/7.
One-Month fits the 2:1 ratio for Vanilla Content releases vs Classic Content releases.
- Classic content is not being released twice as fast is it was released in vanilla.
- Patch 1.4 lasted 1.5 months. From April 19th till June 7th.
- BG’s are not phase 3. BWL is phase 3. BG’s should come out before BWL.
- BG’s are being released early because the game is currently unplayable on most PvP servers.
Phase 1 starts at Patch 1.2.
It has either been a 2:1 ratio or nearly 2:1 ratio so far for content. I’d expect many more splits of phases on the way.
For PvE release, Dire Maul came out March 7, 2005. Comparing from Dec 18th, 2004 that’s 2 1/2 months. In classic Dire Maul came out Oct 15th and Classic came out Aug 26th. That’s 1 1/2 months.
BWL came out July 12th in Vanilla which is a span of 4 months from March 7 (Dire Maul). In classic it’s coming out in Jan which is 2 1/2 months when compared to Dire Maul’s Oct 15th release.
For PvP honor system release, Dec 18th to April 8th was 3 1/2 months on Vanilla. Phase 2 was Nov 14th and Classic Came out Aug 26th. That’s 2 1/2 months.
In Vanilla, the Honor system was out for 2 months April 8th 2005 to June 7th 2005 when BGs were introduced. In Classic, the Honor system was out for 1 month before BGs were introduced. Nov 14th to Dec 10th.
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One of the problems with comparing Classic to Vanilla is that the consumption of content is much different. For instance, the world’s first Ragnaros kill wasn’t until April 25th, 2005. The honor system was released April 19th, 2005. So the honor system was added to vanilla before the first Ragnaros kill.
From launch it took 154 days for the first guild to kill Ragnaros in vanilla, but it took less than a week for the first guild to kill Ragnaros in Classic. The amount of time between the first Rag kill till the launch of BWL in vanilla was only 45 days. Even if BWL launched in January(and there is no evidence for that), it would still be 5 months from the first Rag kill till the release of BWL.
The average guild is going to have much better gear going into BWL today than they did in 2005, since very few guilds had even cleared MC before BWL released.
But even still, I think the overarching philosophy for Blizzard is to release one major raid roughly every 6 months. To the extent that they might be releasing content early now, it is because there just isn’t enough to do right now to keep people playing.
Think of it like this, by phase 5 there will be three 40-man raids a week, two 20-mans, and Onyxia, plus the honor system, let alone needing to farm mats for consumables, farming silithus badges/rep, and that is before playing any of your alts.
By phase 5 most people won’t have enough time in a week to do everything they want to do. But in phase 1 you raid MC and Ony and your week is basically over. Plus MC is the nerfed version, and we have 1.12 talents and gear. You don’t even need to farm consumables except to top the meters.
All the private servers launched with the honor system and WSG. And if it were up to me classic would also have launched with the honor system and WSG.
The #nochanges people need to look at the unblizzlike changes made on the private servers. Those changes weren’t made by creative devs trying to create Vanilla 2.0. Those changes were made in response to the reality of much larger server populations, and a more hardcore playerbase than what existed in 2005.
#nochanges is a nice slogan, but classic is not and could never be vanilla. Trying to recreate vanilla in 2019 will not work. And people acting like they want to relive their 2005 experience in 2019 need to realize that in 2005 they probably weren’t even level 60 by this point in the game, and if they were they almost certainly weren’t raiding anything. If they think they need to farm MC in classic for 5 months before BWL to relive their glory days, that is a fantasy, because no one farmed MC for 5 months before BWL.
I think we should be far more focused on making classic fun than trying to match the six phases of classic to the twelve patches of vanilla(which isn’t even possible).
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