That has been brought up and it is possible you are right. Part of my frustration is the lack of information so I can plan accordingly. The other part is the general feeling of discontent many players are feeling over what they consider the rushing of content. I’m ready for phase 2 but from what I saw this morning others are not.
1 Like
Why should they cater to the zoomers?
Uhh no, but every patch now comes with “catch-up” gearing avenues so it sounds like Blizzard usually caters the casual crowd more.
Irrelevant. The game was also 10x smaller then it is now and, wait for it, was brand new.
Maybe because there’s 30 to 40 times more players too. Again of which, have a solved game in front of them. Even if you are 100% clueless on how to do something you can google a walkthrough of your class to show you exactly how to do it. They’re different games.
1 Like
The irony of people in here saying go back to retail to people who want faster content. Vanilla wasn’t designed for casuals, recreating that experience means a bunch of people oogling at tryhards in their AQ40/Naxx gear in IF hoping to get there one day. In reality the vast majority will never do those raids no matter how much time you give them.
Maybe there are some with this mentality. But there are also others who genuinely enjoy leveling and don’t want to rush through it “efficiently” by following some robotic grinding guide written to help shallow players get that phase of the game over with as fast as humanly possible. Some people want to be able to do quests and explore this huge, awesome RPG and its world and don’t want to feel rushed the entire time.
I play 35-40 hours a week and just hit 60 a week ago, and even I have felt like I’ve been drinking from a fire hose trying to keep up with others who play more than that and/or raced to 60 “efficiently.” If they rush the phases, it’s just going to make this problem worse.
We waited 13 years for this. Why is everyone is such a GD hurry to get it over with?
Yes, they can’t spread the phases out too long or the zoomers will get bored and quit (although I bet most come back for each phase release), but there’s also a VERY GOOD reason they’re not releasing it all at once. The best answer lies somewhere in the middle. I’d put that at around 3 months per phase. BWL in February seems about right.
And I wouldn’t mind if they released BG’s earlier (like they did Dire Maul) just to give PvPers an endgame and to shut them up, so they don’t force a rushed BWL release.
3 Likes
What does cool have to do with anything? I level slowly because it’s the FUN thing to do. I could care less what others feel about my leveling pace. I do want this game to be around for longer than a year though, and i feel that rushing content will kill it faster than metering out slowly will.
2 Likes
https://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=5696
“World of WarCraft has surpassed two million paying subscribers worldwide.”
June 14, 2005
One month before BWL released. Are you claiming there’s now over 60 million subs? Got any more baloney?
1 Like
Vanilla was designed for casuals bro they literally made it to draw people away from more hardcore games like EQ.
1 Like
Math much? 69 days = over 3 months?
Exaggerations. Sometimes people use them to drive home a point. We do have 30-40 times more players who know what the heck is going on now too, some might even argue more.
Everything is miles past where we were 15 years ago. The old world record to 60 was just over 4 days, we now have guilds of zoomers that beat that. When the world record becomes the new benchmark of “efficiency”, things aren’t going to be very authentic in any sense.
15 years ago the game was new and it had 2 million new players in it. How many new players are playing Classic would you guess? You should understand that a large portion of the player base back then was much more casual too, now we have a bunch of older nerds replaying the same game.
I assume you want all phases out within a year then? Once BWL is released how many guilds will have it on farm come the 2nd week its out? This isn’t meant to be beaten and move on, its meant to be enjoyed and taken with leisure. You want competitive play, theres tons of other titles out there.
2 Likes
I think you misunderstand what classic was supposed to be, curated content, like a museum piece, playable fun. The race that you are talking about is pure retail. People could easily say “Go back to retail!!!”. This race, in 1-60 wow? It already happened. A long freaking time ago, pushing the bleeding edge in here? It’s pointless. It’s not like the raids are hard, they aren’t!. The people here in classic pushing hard for release of new content, the zoomers, the streamers, the people racing ahead and then moaning up a storm about nothing to do. It’s pure bullcrap.
Unfortunately though … it seems blizzard is with you. I’d bet $100 there are discussions right now at Blizzard saying that they want this classic thing to be fully released and done and old hat (yesterdays news) by the time Shadowlands comes around.
3 Likes
because it’s YOUR fun thing to do.
why should we cater to you more than anyonelse?
There is only ONE month of the year that only has four weeks, 11 have more than 4 weeks. Plus you said specifically that the game HAS BEEN OUT over 3 months. The only twisting of words here is by you.
I hardly see how content is being rushed. Phase 2 is just a filler phase. I am confident that Phase 3 will last substantially longer than 1 or 2 because of BGs. It’s essentially impossible to get bored once BGs drop.
Yes, you should
Let’s get real here.
Most people still playing classic right now are here because they want a chance to do the raids they never got an opportunity to do back in the day. That mostly means full clear on aq40, and clearing naxx. If you’re not in this group of players, chances are you’re in one of the fringe groups on the pie chart.
Did they release the Mona Lisa in stages? We’re playing a recreation of patch 1.12, the game should have released in it’s entirety if it was to be a true museum piece.
People are gonna have to make some choices and commit to them.
If you want an authentic vanilla experience then you should expect a casual to be absolutely outgeared and destroyed by hardcore players and you should never expect to see high end raid content.
If you are afraid that faster content means it will be hard to find groups for lower end content (5 mans, MC, Ony etc) then stop claiming that the levelers are the majority since if they were that will not be an issue.
If you claim to be playing the game because you love the leveling and the world then why does what other players are doing bother you so much that you want to time gate content?
2 Likes
Blizzard didn’t wait for you in Vanilla and they shouldn’t wait for you now.
1 Like
Totally valid. I dont envy Blizzard the task of being a servant to casuals and…accelerated progressives?
I have friends in both camps and suddenly morale is a little lower in each camp, too.
I dunno maaaan. Those casual dollars add up and if they drop over not being able to stroll, Classic and tBC could be on the block.
Perception is more important to the silent casual crowd.
I just did this…do a /who in guild, and then look at those offline, and tell me what percentage are active. I did it over Blizzcon weekend and am interested to see what this weekend will look like. Hard to say if or why numbers will go up.
Total anecdote, besides raiders at 60, the ranks are thin, and all the lower level characters are barely logging. I think the guild pushed too fast and left casuals behind but ymmv for other, non wpvp guilds.
2 Likes