Why the redemption of Sylvanas is inevitable

This is not just a Sylvanas simp thread I actually have some deep things I’ve been thinking about. I am just putting the question out there, that why do some villains that have committed horrible atrocities get their due, but not others? For instance…Darth Vader did terrible things, but he gets a redemption. Voldermort did horrible things, but no redemption, trapped in limbo for eternity.

We know that Sylvanas committed suicide after Devos grabbed Arthas at the moment of his death, so why was Arthas worthy of total damnation, but not Garrosh or Kael’thas?

Obviously you could say Frostmourne had something to do with it, as Mourneblade’s are a threat to the Shadowlands itself, but at the point of his death, Arthas was no longer in control of the blade, therefore no longer a threat to the stability of the afterlife. So Shadowlands was already corrupt long before Sylvanas arrived.

The fact is that Sylvanas intentions are to give everyone free choice, she believes from our first breath to our last, our lives are predetermined, and if this is the case, being judged for our actions in the afterlife is a cruel joke.

The fact that needs to be taken into consideration is that after Sylvanas got her revenge against Arthas, she tried to kill herself, as her destiny fulfilled, but she was shown the worst torments, I mean the only morally grey things she did after becoming a Banshee was killing Garithos (that was a racist anyway), and then the Wrathgate incident, while good people died in that incident, the fact is, that action did force the Lich King into retreat. So those are about the only two things that she would be responsible for prior to her suicide. Yet she was condemned to hell anyway…so why are we at all surprised that she did everything she did after that?

Have you ever heard the saying that the most dangerous man is one that feels he has got nothing left to lose?

But here is the truth of the matter. In our reckless actions of imprisoning Sire Denathrius, it’s clear that Sylvanas has remorse for sacrificing people on her team, now someone that feels empathy towards the people on their side in a war cannot possibly be pure evil, as people have been on opposing sides of conflicts and wars for generations but usually teams work together.

In short, because Sylvanas has two good qualities, sympathy to her allies (provided they are not a threat to her like the ones were in The Gathering), and she wants free choice. These are two weaknesses, that good people will prey upon, no different how Vader had that one weakness, love of his family.

This is why Sylvanas redemption from evil is inevitable.

Edited: Hey sorted out this matter with Blizzard, they are fine with this thread everyone, but keep in mind to not take it too seriously, that it’s all fun talking about the story and lore, okay? :smiley:

I mean, I do enjoy talking about it to the extent that it does make me think about a lot of deep philosophical issues, but have fun and happy debating!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJrXdlXAFew

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No amount of long threads you make justify that banshee queen should get redemption. She deserves to go to hell and suffer.

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She’ll get a redemption because the writers are predictable and every other major character has gotten one.

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Because deep down she still has some shred of a conscience? Which I always knew she had. I bet she’s still gonna die, though.

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At least you admit she’s evil finally.

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If they turn her into another Kerrigan 5.0 I’m gonna riot.

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Well there is your first mistake. Arthas was never judged by the Arbiter to be sent to the Maw, that was Devos and Uther going rogue and deciding his fate for themselves. Which is the reason why the Kyrian have the “forget your past” policy to begin with.

You don’t give someone the freedom of choice be making that decision for them. And you sure don’t do it by mass murdering them and feeding their souls to hell.

You misunderstood that situation. That was Sylvanas finally understanding what she got herself into. If the Jailer was ready to just toss aside a far more powerful ally then herself, she came to understand that everyone (including her) was expendable to the Jailer. And he wasn’t going to be the savior she was hoping for, instead she was just another tool waiting to be cast aside once it has served it’s purpose.

She is evil to the core and there is no possible path for redemption. You don’t get to commit mass murder, condemning thousands of souls to hell and come out the other side the “good guy”.

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Sylvanas is literally Abby from The last of us 2.

And everyone will sit and enjoy it.

Garrosh should snap his chains and flee Revendreth just to tackle you for saying this.

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You could have just said “Blizzard loves redemption stories” and been just as correct.

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She set a tree with tens (maybe hundreds) of thousands of people living in it on fire and killed most of them. You can’t walk away from that with no consequences. Maybe she’ll eventually feel bad for doing it, but letting Sylvanas off the hook for that would be a laughably awful mistake.

As for Vader, he had the good sense to die immediately after being redeemed. But if he didn’t, I can’t imagine the Rebel Alliance would’ve let him go without some sort of punishment.

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Garrosh did nothing wrong to begin with, those pandas had it coming.

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So did the night elves. Maybe next time they shouldn’t plant a tree to attempt to get back something they willingly sacrificed.

Jokes aside though, I still want to apologize to Garrosh.

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In my opinion, in fiction, the question of redemption isn’t whether or not it is possible, but what form it takes.

Darth Vader, for example, gains redemption by sacrificing his life. He couldn’t have been redeemed, and lived. No one at the end of the story (aside possibly Luke) would have wanted him to live, because of his place in history.

Voldermort, on the other hand, never displayed a single shred of humanity (although I didn’t see the last movie nor read the books). Thus Voldermort wasn’t going to be redeemed, even if he lived through the events of the story.

Putting it another way, there are villainous characters (evil) and then there are adversarial characters (opposing main character). Villains rarely live through their redemptions, if they get one. Adversarial characters often can, and can become an ally of the main character after the redemption in some cases.

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I’ll just cut through all the BS. Popularity and favoritism will ensure she gets redeemed.

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. . . I’m starting to think these aren’t troll posts anymore . . . Then again your “opening statement” leaves out the fact that Devos was defying the natural order of things at that point and sought to cast this “agent of the maw” into said maw whilst fulfilling Uther’s desire for JUSTICE* (see vengeance). So maybe this IS a dedicated troll with some minor facts missing . . . if that’s the case 3 outta ten, valiant effort to keep the meme alive but it’s long since passed on.

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That’s what all the indicators are pointing to. After all There must always be a Jailer.

Because Blizzard is that desperate for potential future expansions.

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Arthas was 100% going to Revendreth because he did what he did for his people…same as Garrosh and Kael’thas.

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Sylvanas is a Dreadlord as verified by Enemy Infiltration. She is the agent hinted to on page six… Undead Sylvanas has been a dreadlord all along, and tricked the living morals of Azeroth (aka Life), especially the Horde that she is the Ranger General Sylvanas Windrunner as undead Forsaken.

We will meet the real High Elf Sylvanas Windrunner soon, the one who fell on the field of battle long ago defending Quel’thalas/Lordaeron, and the true identity will be revealed of the imposter that has tricked us for so many years.

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Yeah it is.

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