And they certainly wouldn’t have let people take their existing level 60’s into Outlands.
What? That’s exactly how TBC went… Blizzard let every1 take the characters they had in vanilla into TBC.
Right so for most people TBC started at 60 when they went into Outlands.
Yesn’t. I’m going to argue why your logic is wrong even if most people’s TBC experience did start at level 60 and then also why that premise isn’t factual.
The 60s that ‘most people’ had were the ones THEY levelled, and if you didn’t have one, unless you bought an account, which is against the ToS, then you wouldn’t have a 60 and you would have to level.
Now, secondly, as we all know, people were a lot worse back in the day and also wow’s subscriber base was continuously growing and therefore a lot of new people were playing. This means that a lot, dare I say, most people would not have been level 60 at the launch day of TBC.
If you’re against the boost then how about we just bring back RAF. No cherry picking 1-70 90 RAF so people can go “out” in the world and quest at 300%. You can’t have it both ways. It’s really an argument for an either or.
I would be ok with this IF it was NOT an MTX AND had the same requirements as the RAF back in the day did. It’s not a change and therefore is less contentious and also wouldn’t be p2w and also would involve people playing the game and socialising (to some degree).
But of course Blizzard wouldn’t do this because the boost isn’t about being inclusive. It’s about making money. And of course the blizzard white knights on the forums wouldn’t be satisfied with this because it wouldn’t be a solution that annoys classic players to no end, which is their sole interest.
Right it’s almost like TBC Classic will have a very different player base than TBC did back in the day. And what might not have made sense then makes a lot more sense now.
Also ignoring that TBC did have a lot of changes specifically designed to funnel people into Outlands including RAF. So clearly the leveling experience wasn’t all that important.
You really can’t come up with an argument without playing the victim card, can you?
Please point to the victim card in the OP.
You really are a master of shifting the goal post aren’t you. Your original reply which started this back and fourth was in response to my response to another individual claiming that levelling wasn’t a part of the TBC experience to which I stated that the devs who made TBC clearly disagreed with them. You then made a non sensical comparison which I countered. Now that you’ve lost on that line of discussion, you’ve attempted to switch to how players are different now vs then.
However, I will indulge you. How does the player base being different today create the necessity for paid boosts? At the very most, you could argue that it justifies free boosts which I would also contest but at least you’d have one leg to stand on.
What were these ‘lot of changes’. The only ones I’m aware of are RAF and the XP required to reach level 60 being reduced somewhat in the final major patch just before the release of WotLK. So for the vast majority of TBC’s lifetime, levelling was just as it was in vanilla. And on top of that, RAF still required you to level, it was just faster. That’s got nothing to do with funnelling people into HFP at launch.
I didn’t quote the OP, I quoted your previous post
Just so we’re clear RAF gave out a mount too. I also think it’s much more toxic because you can do it as many times as you want and get a boostable level every 2 you do up to 60.
Also this shop they are adding really isn’t a big deal. Would you rather them add TCG cards to hearthstone for your in game mounts for real money?
If you really are fine with RAF though then I’d change this thread to “remove boosting for RAF” because more people would be willing to help support it. Neither really bothers me but I’d be willing to support no boosting for RAF with the argument that it’s more in line with TBC.
Correct but you also said I can’t make an argument without pulling the victim card so I directed you to my OP, which does not rely on the victim card therefore disproving your original claim.
RAF =/= direct purchase mount (like the warp stalker). Also, I think the zhevra is a lot less imposing than the warp stalker.
define ‘toxic’. I also am pretty sure RAF did have limited uses / limited duration and to repeat it, you needed a new account.
You really just throw this in here without justifying it at all.
Yes only because the mounts existed in TBC and were obtained through a card game but my ok-ness with that would massively depend on the price of the packs in hearthstone and the rarity of the mount cards because if they were too common, and suddenly every1 and their mom was running around on spectral tigers, then I would not be ok with it.
Because I am pro SOMEchanges, I would personally advocate for landro to become a vendor who sells all the TBC TCG items for extortionate prices to combat inflation.
Your opening statement has nothing to do with your ability (or inability) to maintain an ongoing discussion without acting like people are out to get you
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See what you’re doing is called shifting the goal post. You change what your original claim was to make it seem as if my counter was illegitimate. You should have been more clear if you didn’t mean what you said.
I would also refute this new claim. I have been arguing with people extensively with perfectly legitimate arguments that do not rely on a victim card. I’m not sure I even agree with the premise that the comment you called a victim card was a victim card.
Reading comprehension is that hard for you, huh?
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Considering this was your reply, I’d argue you’re projecting.
Anything you don’t like to hear about yourself is projecting on the part of the person saying it, it seems
I’d recommend looking for professional help
Let me explain.
If your response to this
is this
I’d say that this is evidence that you struggled to comprehend what I was saying and therefore defaulted to insulting me for the very thing you identified that you were struggling with. That is the very definition of projecting.
I’m pretty sure that’s an asking for a ban.
Nothing necessitates anything. I’m saying the boost is fine in the context of TBC Classic. Because just like with classic the vast vast majority of players will be people who have already played TBC back in the day. If they didn’t play classic it’s not because they are new players coming into WoW for the first time, it’s because they are simply not interested in 1-60 content.
Given that the boost is entirely reasonable for people who primarily only care about Outlands. And since it doesn’t hurt anyone in game why not let them have it?