Why the Kyrian are evil

Just wanted to say everyone, that please don’t take these sorts of threads too seriously or to heart, it’s all in good fun to think about these things, okay?

Maybe you chose to be a Kyrian as you thought you were one of the “good guys”. Maybe it made you feel all holy and righteous.

But why do you really stand for this, why do you really want the status quo to return, I think it’s time we set the record straight.

The fact of the matter is if you live what one would call a good/holy life, you will end up as a Kyrian blindly following one path, it’s no different to any religion, where you are blindly told to do things a certain way, they might give you a tiny bit of treats or goodies to entice you, but at the end of the day, here are the facts, what you call “goodness” and “light” and “order” all these forces want from you is your blind obedience, and that is really quite disgusting.

You see, you might blame Sylvanas for the whole situation in the Maw, but the Archon and Kyrians knew what was happening, but they dumped souls into the soulstream knowing whether the souls were good or evil, they were automatically going straight to the Maw.

The Kyrians KNEW the souls were going into the Maw, so for all we know Sylvanas isn’t responsible at all for what happened, now there are only two ways to look at this, the Kyrians are either stupid, they actually don’t know how dangerous the Jailer is at all.

Sylvanas is far less evil then the Kyrian, because at least she wants to use the countless souls of the cosmos for a purpose, to fuel the armies of the Jailer and whatnot, but these Kyrians were just taking souls into the Shadowlands, throwing them into the soulsteam and telling themselves if those souls got sent to the Maw, that’s just the way it is, singing Purpose be Praised.

The fact is, that what the Kyrians do taking souls from the Great Dark Beyond and into the Shadowlands isn’t actually natural. Take Uther for example, his natural calling was to serve the Light, and goodness, that’s what he wanted to do, I know this might seem like mental gymnastics to some of you, but consider…in the reality Sylvanas wants, when Uther died, he would have been able to choose that specific path.

Imagine for a minute that you had a religion, and found out that you picked the wrong one, and got sent to another Heaven, wouldn’t you be a little pissed? So it makes sense to me that Sylvanas wants to rectify this situation. The point is the entire universe is corrupt, also we must remember that Sylvanas is an alliance of convenience with the Jailer, so even if we break her alliance of convenience in 9.1 we must continue to fight for the cause for a more fair and just system.

Think about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHYw6MuTUdo

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In a way, the Kyrian way makes sense. If you carry all of the baggage from your prior lives, your mind will be overwhelmed by the infinite-ness of the afterlife. So discard those burdens and enjoy your duty of service.

Each afterlife except Bastion has an ‘endgame’ to it. In Maldraxxus, you can die. Ardenweald, you get reborn from your Wildseed (or get dusted, but plan A’s more fun). Revendreth you eventually get released from. The Maw… Well, it’s the opposite of Bastion, so it makes sense that’s the only other ‘eternal’ deal.

The big failing is the Kyrian failed to read the memory archives and realize that ‘oops, there’s a Maw weapon running about, can we get someone on that?’ Had they done that, Uther’s concerns would have been addressed long ago, or they could even have said ‘yeah, we saw it and took care of it, all good bro.’

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The Kyrian are the first responders of the afterlife. They choose to be free of their memories and burdens so that they can justly serve the path they wish to follow and ferry souls.

Just like first responders need to be good at compartmentalizing what they witness, Kyrian have shed their past so that personal feelings don’t get in the way of their job.

This is a choice. And a very revered one. The temples exist not to punish, but to help support them in times of need.

If you saw what they had to see, you’d want to shed those memories, too.

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Well, after 8 months of nightly analysis, i found out that the word Kyrian is an anagram:

  • Khyah
  • Yama
  • Ragana
  • Irin
  • Acephali
  • Nephilim

All demon names…
Kyrians are evil: the Jailer is doing it right by getting rid of theses evil beings.

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Aha! So you admit Sylvanas is in fact bad and supporting doing bad things to many many souls? That’s progress. A reason souls going to the Maw is a big deal is because it’s a hellscape of no return. Being tortured into mindless soldiers to conquer the universe is hardly righteous.

If we’re talking blind obedience though then evil wants it more. I don’t think the Jailer gave a single one of those souls a choice in the matter. His whole theme is “domination” which is not freedom.

Kyrians though are given a choice. They can choose to pursue the Path or leave it. The Archon does admit she was wrong and they needed to rethink things, but if you can’t see they’re good people who have a good purpose then I’m not sure what else to say. You seem determined to twist everything to make it seem like the Jailer’s side is good and everyone else evil.

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This is how I see it, too. They sacrifice their memories to ensure their biases are gone before they start making decisions about souls.

I mean, can you see a Draenei being in charge of where an orc should go, if they didn’t first shed their subjective experiences in life?

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And we all see what happened to Uther when he didn’t shed his.

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They’re not evil, they’re pragmatic.

Which is more concerning: that there are blue people in an MMO that might be brainwashed, or that there are actual Scientologists in the real world?

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Plus it’s not like you necessarily HAVE to ascend, apparently it’s a choice only those most certain they want to serve take in Bastion.

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Someone has an agenda.

Blizzard already stated each cosmic force is a sliding scale. Light isn’t inherently good and void isn’t inherently evil. Any of them can be good or evil. Also, each covenant has its purpose. They wanted for the covenant to be an equal choice and to not pit them against each other idealistically. I think this is stupid.

Blizzard should write the story better so you actually have people who want to stand on the good side and then on the bad side. Let’s get it out in the open. If you wanna go full sith and stand with the dark lady do it and embrace it. There are plenty who would like that to happen. Same for the good side. However leave faction out of that. If you are a Tauren orc or troll who follows the light that’s cool, your enemy should be the people who want to bring down those structures. If you’re a human warlock and you loved seeing the night elves burn, actively seek to quash any hope for them. Then you have the forces of good vs the bad but not defined as just horde vs alliance.

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They do not decide who goes where, they only bring them to the Arbiter and she decides.

Blizzard does not want to have clearly good factions/characters anymore. They want everything to be on a morality spectrum from bad to really REALLY bad.

I don’t think they knew what was happening as Kleia herself was shocked when we went to oribos with her.

Smells like forsaken propaganda…

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A Draenei might throw an orc into the Maw if they didn’t purge memories first. Nobody escapes the Maw (lololol)

Well I would argue if there is a morality spectrum, if the Jailer is REALLY REALLY bad, then I would say the Arbiter is REALLY REALLY good, because you see, the Arbiter sends even bad people to Revendreth to get a chance at redemption, and every measure in the books does the right things with souls that come before her, if anything I would argue that she is TOO good, as horrible, terrible people get a chance to atone themselves.

No, the arbiter is bad, spying on people’s lives w/o their consent. There are laws against that.

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Stop right there criminal scum!

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This. Bastion does not push you to ascend. In the questing didn’t they say that everyone can take it at their own pace? If you want to ascend now, then go ahead. If you don’t? Then that’s fine as well. Bastion is Elysium. Not the Maw.

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Thank you for another thread rehashing all of Anakin’s problems with the Jedi.

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