Why the Horde needed Sylvanas

Look even if you are to get me to agree that Sylvanas is evil, sure It’s true that the road to hell is paved with good intentions, but there is nothing more important than the freedom of the individual and anyone that stands in the way of that, needs to be wiped out, as there’s no room no matter how infinite this universe for those who want to take your freedom away. That’s pretty black and white to me.

What you have to think about also is that the Horde actually needed Syvlanas during the time she was Warchief. Even if its true that Sylvanas has moved beyond mortal concerns, the honest facts were that after the war with the Legion, Sylvanas asked Saurfang a very important question. Could the Horde conquer Stormwind? The answer was no…in contrast, Orgrimmar was in fact much more vulnerable to an attack from the Alliance at that point in time.

So when Saurfang was there with an army of traitors and whatnot, if a siege had happened, Orgrimmar might have been able to hold the line, though just barely. Before Teldrassil happened, the situation was that Stormwind could defend an attack, but Orgrimmar could not. Sylvanas was absolutely correct at the time that after the war with a Legion, that the threat of ‘mutual destruction’ was no longer feasible. If you think about it, if the Horde had all of Kalimdoor to itself, the Horde would have been in a strong military position. The Alliance was therefore meant to be divided militarily against a unified Horde, and to a large degree that’s exactly what has happened, as Tyrande has gone off doing her own thing you see, leaving the Alliance forces divided.

Oh and by the way, Teldrassil was in fact a legitimate military target; you see, the Alliance could have used Teldrassil to transport azerite between Kalimdoor and the Eastern Kingdoms, which would have made the Horde incredibly vulnerable. There’s also the fact that all Sylvanas wanted was to demoralize the Alliance, and if Saurfang had killed Malfurion Stormrage, then the rest of those ‘innocents’ would have been spared, the whole point was to split the Alliance apart, killing Malfurion would have achieved that, but due to Saurfang’s blunder, more extreme actions were necessary. So you see in reality, the blood of the innocents of Teldrassil was on Saurfang’s hands. And while the Horde has been set back a little bit, Orgrimmar is strong and able to defend itself from an Alliance attack.

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They retconned all that stuff to her wanting to make as much death as possible. So yea… I love slyvannas but she has gone the way of the darkside. Or whatever side the Jailer is on. It always seems like we do what whatever random npc tells us to without deciding if they themselves are bad.

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No we didn’t.

She just got slotted in then made into a butcher.

As much as I like the flow of blood, its clear she intended to screw us over.

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There was never good intentions with Sylvanas. From the very beginning it was shown she cared only about what she wanted. Whether or not it had a good outcome for everyone else was irrelevant to her.

Keep in mind she only joined the horde out of convenience, and that during a legion invasion she was more concerned with getting power for an endless army.

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Sylvanas is the Queen I chose! And it’s an honor to do Most Loyal!

That being said she is still needed, and I believe and hope she’ll be returned as our glorious Warchief by the end of Shadowlands!

. . . Here we go again.

munches popcorn

I really wish Blizz would come out and say we kill Sylvanas by the end of the xpac, that she is a villain and has no hope of redemption. If only to stop the daily Lilithia posts.

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Oh joy, another Lilithia Sylvanas worship thread. I bet you have the lyrics to all Disney musicals memorized, don’t you?

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The Horde has never needed Sylvanas!

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The story was completely ham-fisted. The writing was pretty bad, but most of the writing in WoW is pretty bad.

I’m sure there’s a book that will explain everything, but I feel like the story should come from the actual game itself, because that’s where most people actually ingest the story. But what we will get is half a story, and a lot of elements that are neither compelling, interesting or sensical.

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One of the universal rules is … undead are evil. They just are and there is no getting around it.

100% agree on this one. In fact, I’m not sure why people were surprised why Sylvanas was evil, when the starting campaign for the Forsaken literally spells it out for you. We’re a faction that completely believes in survival of the fittest, and meritocracy.

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Honestly we need to kill thrall already he is weak and honestly has no true Orc blood in his veins. The dude is always going to be a softy for the alliance due to his romance idea’s of jaina … We need him to die and sylvanas to come back so we can be what the “horde” really is… not like a tribal culture that is just picking flowers and fighting attackers that think we are bad because we are cows,orcs ,trolls and undead. We need to be really bad. so I vote we murder thrall.

We just need a leader that won’t be gone after 1 expansion.

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I am going to with-hold total judgment until I see where they take it in Shadowlands. The authors have at least put out enough effort in BFA, that although not well recieved so far; might bear some interesting fruit.

A couple interesting things have me pondering again.

Heart is a crater, we filled it. *(Arbiter and Jailer both have craters in their chest. One is filled.)

Light made a deal with enemy of all. (A Naaru is in Revendreth as a prisoner. Why?)

-If the Jailer was truly the good guy, the Arbiter the villain; and Sylvanas needed to feed him anima to allow him to break free… What would happen if in gratitude for restoring order; he ‘releases’ a bunch of heroes back to the world of the living, like Uther and others like the entire pop of Teledrassil. This could explain why Elune did the painless death thing.

-Living Uther, Arthas and Sylvanas appear on Azeroth-

Arthas: So about Silvermoon… I—
Sylvanas: Another word and you go back.
Uther: Well at least I’m not doing greetings in the Nexus… -grumbles- I need a drink.

-I know Elune is supposedly against Sylvanas, but who knows at this point if Elune is even benign.

IMHO, we should all remain calm and get to the main course, before we are too judgmental. Although admittedly right now I feel like Sylvanas has passed the moral event horizon, unless they do something seriously drastic with her character, and they might.

Personally, I’d rather see her brought back to full life as a Blood Elf, if she achieved something truly redemptive worthy. Sure a lot of players would eyeroll, but if they can give a plausible reason I’m alright with redemption. (And yes I know she’s a Undead High Elf, but she would never as a living Elf be an Alliance pet like Alleria).

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Sylvanas is a self-serving butcher that I will happily sink as many Arcane Missiles into to make sure whatever dust remains of her corpse sinks as deeply into the Maw as possible.

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What’s wrong with meritocracy?

She betrayed the Horde. I expected that. But she BETRAYED THE FORSAKEN! I’ve played Forsaken most of my many years in Azeroth. Sylvanas betrayed all of us who believed in her. Good riddance.

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Sylvanas hated The Orcs, and betrayed the Horde. You sound like an ally player who joined the Horde to be a “villain”

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You know how there’s that one person who ruins everything they touch? That’s Sylvanas.

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