That’s not entirely true, see early nuclear testing. (Those killed as a result of the fallout from the early testing was likely not intended.)
Back to the topic at hand, no one ever accused Sylvanas of being nice. Since becoming the banshee queen she’s always been coldhearted/out for herself.
Yeah, no. That is not logical in the slightest. It’s pure evil to use others as things. You shouldn’t need a potential future punishment to stop that from happening. And even then, you’ve been arguing that Sylvanas will break that punishment. The Maw is where the worst of the worst go who have no hope, or even desire, of redemption.
Yeah it’s the whole “If people didn’t have the threat of Hell looming over them they would do bad things” BS logic that some religious whackjobs periodically spout brought into the context of the game.
As a secular humanist I have to say that I find so much wrong with this statement. You can be good without god. As a matter of fact one of the people I looked up to when I was younger was a retired Korean war/Cold war era USAF colonel with SAC who was a supervisor at my old workplace. He was as profane as the day was long, an avowed atheist and one of THE best people I’d ever known. Always gave blood, volunteered at food banks and hospitals, donated to every decent cause known to our species and truly kind, if gruff as hell. He never needed the threat of Hell to do any of these things. He logic was that we were the culmination of the evolution of our species and it was incumbent upon us to live our lives this way. I also recommend that you read some Christopher Hitchens if you wish to understand the concept of morality in absence of deity.
As lovely as Strahd is, I’m somewhat partial to Castlevania’s Dracula.
“It was not by my hand that I am once again given flesh. I was brought here by… humans… that wish to pay ME tribute!”
You can’t see in the dark silly zombie.
This is the part where I would normally joke about taking off the literally rose colored glasses, but this is just too tragic to make a joke of 
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because most “deaths” do not permanently end the deceased; Sylvanas destroyed countless lives in rallying her war of thorns for the sole purpose of fueling her new master The Jailer, KNOWING full well that at least a few of those souls will be permanently killed by said process never to exist beyond that point. It also wasn’t a justified assault born of a prior offense by the slaughtered party like all the other War crimes so far, The Night elves didn’t even expect a war on their home turf, they expected it to be on the other side of Kalimdor and weren’t even remotely officially hostile up to that point, there was no declaration of war by the Elves themselves, who to all extents while being an Alliance “aligned” nation is for all that STILL a stand alone sovereignty which is not ruled or dictated by the overarching faction war. It does not matter what “twist” they narratively try to pull because this is a case of “the means DO NOT justify the end.”, nothing Sylvanas “does” could possibly be worth literally wiping sentient feeling souls out of existence.
Your posts weren’t hidden because they were against tos. Your posts were hidden because people would rather report them for speculation and loyalty instead of actually debate and talk about it.
As much as I like arguing with Sylvy loyalists, I won’t report them. I don’t understand why people report things they don’t agree with. It’s just childish.
I really don’t care, as long as it results in a raid fight with the three Windrunners, giving a resolution to thier story, a nice cinematic, and a kickass looking bow as a drop.
I’ll be honest I never got in to the Castlevania games so don’t know much about them. Also Another one that completely slipped my mind is Alucard from Helsing.
Assuming that ones afterlife isn’t predestined at birth, it stands to reason that the way one lives their life would be reflected in how their afterlife plays out. That Sylvanas has instead doubled down show’s that she is absolutely deserving of her final judgement.
This line of reasoning only makes sense if the people of azeroth have no concept of an afterlife.
Yes, predestination is one factor. Another is what it takes to become “nonredeemable.” Essentially, it depends on how the soteriology in Azeroth works.
If they have no concept of the afterlife, I don’t think that line of reasoning would work at all.
Even if they do have a concept of the afterlife, it still depends on the soteriology to determine whether an external “savior” is needed or whether something else is required. That’s why, without more information on this, Lilithia’s argument doesn’t necessarily apply to Azeroth.
Given that there are 5 known after life realms (The maw, Bastion, Ardenweald, Revendreth and Maldraxxus) each tied to specific themes and serving specific roles for how one lived their lives it’s not exactly hard to suss out why someone went where they did:
Bastion is effectively heaven and based on how tirion fordragon is our touch stone it stands to reason people with an unflinching ethical core are chosen to dwell and serve in that realm.
Maldraxxus is the military arm of the shadowlands and it’s people (the necrolords) are drawn from the most war hardened people that ever were. Our touchstone for this realm is Drakka, mother of Go’el.
Ardenweald seems to be a manifestation of rebirth for the natural world, with our touchstone being Cenarius.
Revendreth is a sort of lesser hell as I see it; the people who are condemed to this place are effectively tormented until their sins are completely burnt away, with the more serious and catastrophic ones taking longer and longer. Kael’thas is here, working off the sins that he accrued in life for giving in to the legion.
The Maw is for people who are completely and utterly irreedeemable. It is pure, endless, nightmarish hell, the dumpster bin of souls.
Given the sheer number of realms and how all of our touchstones are about where we’d expect, predestination seems unlikely unless you believe that fate is absolute with regards to the actions that we took throughout life.
Again, every religion that ever was has tied the afterlife (whether it is karmic rebirth, heaven, valhalla, the elysian fields ect…) to the behavior that they engaged in in life, and I’ve seen zero evidence that this is not the case in WoW.
Beyond which, you shouldn’t need religion to tell you that indinscriminate slaughter is bad.
I’m not saying it’s likely, just a factor if it does exist in the system. And it doesn’t matter what I (or you or anyone else) believe. What matters is how it works in Warcraft.
Well, in Christianity, you can be evil throughout your entire life, repent and believe in Jesus as savior moments before you die, and go to Heaven.
And karmic rebirth is another life, not an afterlife as we would understand Shadowlands to be and, in that sense, it’s different than what Ardenweald seems to be.
Regardless, the point is not whether your actions in life determines your place in the Shadowlands, but whether there are specific actions that make you irredeemable (regardless of what you try to do or how you change in the future) to the point of being placed in the Maw (broken death engine not withstanding).
In other words, is there still a chance while living given your past actions in life or is there a point that, once reached, will doom you forever, and if so, whether Sylvanas thought she has no other choice at the end of WotLK when she first saw a glimpse of her fate in death because she has reached that point.
(Also, again, whether or not you need religion is irrelevant to this discussion, I feel, as all that matters is how Warcraft works.)
There is no reason to suspect based on the information that we have that this is anything else.
Not really. Redemption requires that you have understood what you did was wrong and taken steps to try and address what you did. Deathbed repentence is the desperate act of those who’ve realized they’re due for an eternity of torment.
Ardenweald seems to be a case of Natural rebirth of spirits given the descriptions that we have, though it’s not unreasonable to suspect this could be extended to mortals.
Based on the information we have there are in fact actions which lead to condemnation but it is possible for someone to be consigned to the lesser hell of revendreth if there are mitigating factors.
The reason I’m certain that this doesn’t apply to sylvanas is that she has in fact only increased her ruthlessness as time has gone up to and including initiating a major war for the sole purpose of empowering her and the Jailer at the expense of untold thousands on both sides of the conflict.
Like, She had the very rare opportunity to glimpse the world beyond and chose to instead double down on her actions.
“I believe she is setting up the Jailer for a big fall. I believe her partnership with him is a cover up. A way to get close, so she can take him out. I believe she know stuff she can’t tell us, and just needs us to have faith, that she knows what she is doing.”
“That is what I believe. That is what I am expecting.”
I agree with you 100%. However…
If this part is true that’s terrible writing. I personally cannot stand the whole “things are bad, I know how to fix it, but can’t tell you” style. It’s lazy.