Why tease "breaking the circle"?

What was the point of everything that happend in BfA if the faction conflict will remain the same?

-Teaming up in the Eternal Palace ment nothing
-Saving Baine ment nothing
-Leaders excpet Tyranda and Genn becoming friends ment nothing
-Being loyal to Sylvanas ment nothing
-Saurfangs death ment nothing
-Thrall coming back ment nothing
-Sargarus stabbing the planet apparently ment nothing…

By all means keep the factions and even the restrictions if you really want to divide your player base, but what do I have to look foreword to in Shadowlands if its pretty much just a patch for BfA story wise?

Defeating Sylvanas would be cool but then what? Blizzard left SO MANY stories unfinished and are just gonna say “Its our foundation and piller” to have this game as simple as red vs blue.

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I know I really thought that’s where it was heading too.

Maybe it actually meant something about the life/death cycle? Or maybe the storydevs just had watched game of thrones and thought it sounded cool?

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We still have another patch at the very least. Complain then if stuff isn’t answered. However for the faction conflict they just came to the realization that they had a common enemy in Sylvanas, its the way the writing always goes when it comes to faction strife. This is why I don’t like faction wars, neither side is going to win on the scale that would make it satisfying.

But was cool for Danuser to say that Alliance won the warfronts :slight_smile:

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Quality writing amirite?

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They have to understand they are doing the same thing every expac at this point right?
Heck we had Sylvanas even use 2 lines from previous expacs in the cinematic…

When asked, Ion even used the words “Unfortunately” about not being able to change up the story even a little or have it match game play via grouping.

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It was a fourth wall break when Saurfang referred to the faction conflict as a cycle.

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Once Blizzard opened up faction transfers, transfers to PVP Realms from non-PVP Realms and removed the faction restriction for making new toons on PVP realms they lost all credibility for me in regard to the “faction conflict is the core of WOW” meme.

They obviously don’t care about realm balance or about faction balance when it comes to high end activities like Raiding. PVP and Mythic Plus.

There’s also the issue of what kind of players Blizzard has hired as devs in the past 10 years. It’s a myopic bunch who seem stuck of certain, very dated aspects of the game.

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It means not being at war.

Not dissolving the factions.

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I really do wonder if anything will ever be done about the big anime sword. It was supposed to be contributing to Azeroth dying.

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If we aren’t at War then I want to be able to do PVE content with my friends regardless of faction. We see it all the time from NPC’s.

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We see it all the time from the NPCs even when the factions are openly at war.

The faction divide is a game mechanic that is only applied to the players. The story characters are completely immune to it.

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We weren’t at war in Vanilla.

Where is your cross-faction grouping in Classic?

I mean it still remains to be seen if the Horde and Alliance will be at peace from now on, and certainly some elements of it will always be in conflict.

But nothing about that line has to do with having the factions come together as one. All it means is that we are coming together as allies and presumably will be keeping the lessons learned in mind going forward to prevent a major conflict from happening again.

And I don’t know what to tell you. Shadowlands is definitely not just a BfA story patch. Most of the baggage of BfA is being left behind. The only thing really moving forward is Sylvanas being a big bad, but that has been a plot thread since the beginning of legion.

I think the point is that we have finally made “breaking the cycle” and this peace treaty a very prominent point. We have been working together on and off since Vanilla. It all finally came to one hell of a climax in BfA and we got a lot of emphasis put into it.

While I didn’t expect them to do anything, it still seems worthless to spend this amount of time on it, only to not finally move forward and let us group up for raids and dungeons cross faction.

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Please, you know there will be another faction war

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Buckle up for Warlords of Deathland.

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Uhh the game was new for one and it had a very robust population on most servers. Even servers like Mal’Ganis and Illidan were fairly balanced back then.

The point is we’ve done the same dance for 15 years and it’s time for a change. The game is old AF and silo’ing the ever shrinking player base isn’t worth keeping the nonsense faction split.

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Well, it’s that’s not the definition of a filler expansion I don’t know what is.

In my personal opinion anyone who genuinely got caught up in the “I’m convinced the factions are over” whirlwind was, unfortunately, lying to themselves.

There were, at best, minor snippets that alluded to the factions being “problematic”. However, all story is told through the vehicle that is the characters. They’re the ones who see things a certain way, and it’s also important to note that the main person who said it (Saurfang) was slaughtered moments later.

However, as a group, we tend to latch onto things. Someone says they’re ending, more people agree, suddenly it’s a sure thing. Now we have people who feel betrayed, offended, or lied to, when there was never any actual evidence for these claims.

We were saving the world, we were saving ourselves, we were not trying to make peace. Every time we’ve teamed up it’s been about necessity, not friendship.

You forget that just because the heroes, a rare few people, teamed up in select instances doesn’t mean that all the orcs, tauren, trolls, forsaken, etc, now suddenly like or care about the humans, gnomes, night elves, dwarves, etc. .

“Leaders” also must take into account their positions and the tensions surrounding their people. Look at Earth; how many leaders have called for unity, peace, etc, and not gotten any real results. Leaders are all well and good but they can’t change the minds of their people just by saying it. It takes time that we do not appear to have at this moment.

It appears her plan was to drag us all into… something. If we supported her, then we supported her decision to do it. I fail to see why this would save us from it, as she clearly intends to do it to herself as well.

It’s like joining a suicide cult and actively campaigning for it. You’re still expected to do the deed just like everyone else, regardless of how loyal you were. Acting surprised that you don’t get to be spared is kind of silly.

It saved Orgrimmar from an additional lengthy siege which, in all honesty, was precisely the stated point from Saurfang himself. He died doing exactly what he wanted to be doing and accomplished exactly what he wanted to accomplish; save Orgrimmar and the small army he’d brought.

Do we have proof of this yet? I’m not clear on what happens, but I wasn’t aware of Thrall just disappearing again.

We still have the rest of BfA to find out, but “meant something” is a bit of a stretch. It’s a wound we’re trying to heal, we either do or don’t. It doesn’t need some deep meaning and story behind it.

I think you guys seem to mix up the experiences of a few band of heroes with that of the masses of people. The regular folks of Azeroth have lost a lot of friends and family in the war. They aren’t suddenly going to accept friendship with the people who murdered them. There is no longer a war but that doesn’t mean there are still not strong animosities separating them.