ah…so as expected you just wanted to rail at someone, attack their person and stalk thru their account and it blew up in your face.
And THIS character is on THIS SAME WOW account that I posted those links from guy.
Keep trying
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so sorry for allowing myself to be part of derailing your thread, guy.
youre not missing anything SV is a blast. It does need more coherency however.
sorry guy, but this character IS on the SAME account that those links were pulled from All I did was check another characters profile instead of this one, which shows nothing.
Funny part is that we wouldnt even be where we are right now if you and someone else werent attacking anyone who disagrees with you over some stupid spec in a video game and you had to go fishing for anything to try ‘win’ instead of just accepting that we are ALLOWED to have our own opinions…and ARENT required to argue with you about them.
Sorry…this is from the SAME account.
(if a moderator comes by, you can tell this poster this fact if you feel to.)
dont know what to tell you about that. I dont evenknow if this character has logged in and been played.
Not that its RELEVANT to THIS discussion.
And you have to wonder why people wont post on their main WoW accounts?
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This thread is such a good reminder that these forums are utterly useless lol.
I quit shortly after Nighthold progression only to come back what, 4 years later, to the the same handful of people kicking and screaming over the same thing.
Like freaking yikes.
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I dont care what you believe or dont believe.
THIS thread has a TOPIC. I suggest you get back to it and stop derailing it.
know what else makes one seem like that? Stalking profiles for irrelevance after breaking the rules of the forum by calling people trolls for simply stating their opinion and not feeling the need to be harassed about it.
If you want to emphasize certain words, then use italicization or even bold on rare occasion.
as if it makes any difference…like at all.
And why we’re also allowed to, WITHOUT being harassed or our profiles stalked, state that we like the spec as it is, with maybe some tweaks here and there.
huh…really? you sure youre reading the SAME content we all are?
Far as I can tell THIS is my first post here today.
Im sorry…what exactly was trolling and inflammatory again?
This was the second post
Still no flames or trolling. Just my OPINION.
then someone wanted to argue about it when I wasnt here to argue, but just present my OPINION.
Taking note of your achievement points displayed right next to your name isn’t ‘stalking’.
I gave examples of your inflammatory behavior, and asked you to stop. It’s against the rules after all. I think that is plenty sufficient reasoning to be a little off-topic. Me asking you to tone down your antagonizing behavior isn’t ‘harassment’.
If you don’t realize that it indeed does make a difference, then you probably haven’t been on the internet for very long.
Yes, and you continually refused to engage in it. Dawnspirit asked you a question to further the discussion after all:
You chose not to answer, and you instead chose to deride them by calling them a hypocrite for asking you a simple question.
So then can you answer the question now? Can you provide a valid reason as to why Hunters shouldn’t get ranged SV returned as a fourth spec? Remember, you said:
That sounds an awful lot like you speaking for somebody else. For somebody so ‘passionate’ about being allowed to have your own opinion, you seem pretty quick to tell others what they do or don’t ‘need’ in the game. So can you provide a valid reason for why SV returning as a fourth spec shouldn’t happen? Other than “I don’t WANT it”?
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Far as I know calling people ‘troll’ is actually against the rules. Some CAPS…isnt. Ive seen walls of caps, guy…nothing has been done about it.
What you gave me was arguments because you dont like anyone disagreeing with you about SV, that much is clear.
Been here since it became a thing. How about you…
and I made it VERY clear that i wasnt interested in debating her about it. I can give my OPINION and NOT be harassed about it.
Dude…you have GOT to stop lying.
That comment was in response to that poster claiming that I implied MY opinion was more valuable…ironic given that they were trying to SHOVE theirs on me LOL.
Funny how you twist just about everything you respond to into something it AINT.
we dont need three ranged hunter specs. If you like ranged, you have two to choose from.
Dude…you gotta stop mangling things that are said to push some agenda lol.
Dont NEED to, lol.
I like SV as it is…END OF DEBATE.
That is MY opinion, NON negotiable and I dont HAVE to defend it to you or anyone else.
you…and them…thinking that I am REQUIRED to is precisely why this has gone as far as it has.
Now…‘we’ are done here. I wont be participating in anything further in this thread that isnt directly on topic.
This is not harassment:
That’s called a response. If you’ve truly been on the internet ‘since it became a thing’ then you should know this.
I’m not lying. They asked you this question:
The purpose of this question was valid. Why should your desire for something to not exist trump the desire of someone else for something to exist? If you don’t have a valid reason as to why Hunters shouldn’t be allowed to have ranged SV return, and Hunters have numerous valid reasons as to why it should be returned, then why should your unfounded opinion matter more on the subject than the opinions of those who back up their opinions with reasoning?
But we have a slew of melee specs. That’s the point. If you wanted melee, you have 13 to choose from. So why remove one of the mere 3 ranged specs to just replace it with yet another melee spec?
There is no reason as to why Hunters shouldn’t be allowed to have three ranged specs. “You don’t need it” isn’t a valid response. Imagine players asking Blizzard for new content, and Blizzard just responding with “No, you don’t need it”. That’s a terrible justification.
We aren’t saying that the current melee SV should be changed or removed. We just want ranged SV returned as a fourth spec. We’ve made that abundantly clear, so you liking melee SV is completely irrelevant.
The topic of this thread is discussing the apparent hatred of melee SV. We are currently discussing the reasoning and thought processes behind those who don’t like melee SV. It pretty much couldn’t be more on topic.
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Leave the 30 point troll alone. He’s special!
Its simple Blizz Deleted a extremely fun spec with the original SV playstyle.Instead of getting creative and making a 4th spec for those that wanted a melee hunter they deleted one.
Lazy and poor game development from blizz.
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It’s absolutely hilarious that whenever you disagree with someone you just start attacking them and reporting their posts. You’re a literal crybaby. Even when I’m not on the forums posting you can’t stop talking about me. You may want to quit again and seek help.
Melee SV is a blast to play, and you aren’t getting a 4th spec.
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heh…I dont know about the other poster reporting, but they sure do go on the attack, then play victim when you respond.
I posted my first couple posts here. I was just giving my opinion about SV and these two start acting like Im not allowed to do that and then OWE them allegiance to their lost spec, lol.
I dont care either way about their getting anything.
I do know we dont need 3 of 3 hunter specs being ranged.
Im sorry they lost what they loved, but ATTACKING ME for saying I like SV and not feeling I owe someone any explanation or fealty was pretty juvenile .
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They attack anyone who dares to have a differing opinion, and then resort to reporting and personal attacks. I was suspended at one point, and Spinner was accusing someone else of being me, just like he did with you. It’s very telling about who he is as a person.
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Exactly what they did to me in here before (on THIS same account, lol) when I said how much fun I was having with SV, lol.
I couldnt care less. Either we’re allowed to state opinions in here…or moderation has gone off their rails and we cant and are allowing these two to basically RUN this forum
It wasn’t even designed to be a “spec” early on.
It was just a category that held various talents allowing for you to improve on your survivability/utility in several ways, depending on what type of content you did.
Despite some arguing different on this and other forums, SV talents no matter their individual designs(what part of the class they focused on), they all held a general theme of the above, that being ‘improving survivability’.
There was no “SV spec” then. It was only the core toolkit of the class and what that promoted in terms of gameplay, with talents(no matter where they came from) only adding to that core toolkit.
We like things different. Simple as that.
Try to be a bit more open-minded when it comes to the different archetypes and the different fantasies pertaining to the use of ranged weapons as a primary focus.
There are many ways you can go about, designing specs with the above in mind.
A LOT more than just 1.5 options(the .5 being current BM)
If it can be done as a 4th spec option, what’s the problem? It wouldn’t really affect your precious SV anyway.
Why even bother to post/respond to other players when this is how you go about, doing so?
They haven’t?
If you post the way you do on a public forum, expect people to respond to you. Whether you like said responses or not, is up to you. Not them…
No, but it is a public forum so we are allowed to respond to what you write.
Ironic considering you’re posting from a Classic character.
You know, WoW: Classic, the version of the game which players asked for to come back for over a decade?
That wasn’t all that you did…
Meaning you weren’t interested in engaging with the discussion that was on-topic.
YOU don’t need 3 ranged hunter specs.
A LOT of other players do, because neither BM nor MM provides the theme and fantasy which we got from the old SV(pre-Legion).
Exactly.
Why not?
They weren’t commenting on what you said about liking current SV.
Again, you did more than say that you like current SV…
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Not entirely accurate.
Firstly, Wyvern Sting was the 31-pointer as of 1.7 and remained as such from that point onwards. Nothing changed about it in BC.
Secondly, many of the talents you mentioned were newly added in BC. Nothing much was actually removed from the tree in 2.0.
The “shift to ranged” happened in 1.7 with the removal of Lacerate, the condensing of multiple weak melee talents into few decent ones, and the addition of Wyvern Sting and Lightning Reflexes.
What’s often misunderstood about Survival before and after 1.7 was that it wasn’t just a matter of “melee focused v.s. not”. It was a matter of particular perks of the spec being spread out among multiple weak talents. For example, before 1.7 you had 4 talents totalling 12 talent points to buff your traps. After 1.7 it was just one talent totalling 2 talent points and it covered everything those 4 talents did. It was a similar deal for the melee talents: the spec didn’t actually have much that buffed melee damage and what it did have was weak. So they replaced it all with Savage Strikes which gave a lot of melee power for 2 talent points while keeping the defensive melee stuff (e.g. Deterrence). I’d actually go as far as to argue that Survival post-1.7 was stronger in melee than Survival pre-1.7; it just had DPS talents at that point that also buffed ranged (most notably Lightning Reflexes).
Disengage didn’t knock you back until WotLK. In BC it was still a melee threat reducer that was useless in all situations.
Honestly? Not really. The spec was still using its superior CC via Improved Wing Clip and Counterattack to escape melee. What the changes did was give SV a place in PvE content due to Expose Weakness, even if it was a weak place. The biggest gameplay change was the addition of Steady Shot which was a baseline Hunter change.
There were decently common PvP builds that put 30 points into Survival. While Wyvern Sting was indeed not often taken, talents like Improved Wing Clip, Deterrence, and Counterattack were pretty potent in PvP and Lighting Reflexes was just a great talent everywhere.
Your description would be correct for SV before 1.7, though.
Try to put yourselves in the shoes of people who have played Hunter for a long time. It was the class that used ranged weapons; that was the most central part of its identity and no other class used them even close to the degree Hunters did (Warriors and Rogues were the only others, and the ranged weapon was for most intents and purposes a stat stick). If you liked ranged weapons you came to the Hunter class. If you liked melee you went to classes that focused on that.
So why would that group of people be interested in one of the specs becoming melee? Its one of three options in the game that used ranged weapons but it was taken away to add to an existing pool of 11 specs that use a melee weapon… along with a brand new flashy and unique melee hero class in the same expansion.
Realistically, it’s melee that’s less unique, not ranged.
We don’t need yet another melee option in a game full of melee options. YOU might find ranged weapons boring but that’s not in line with the preferences most Hunters.
Should I be going to Warriors and demanding that Arms be made into a ranged weapon spec because they don’t need 2 melee specs?
Oh my lord, I’ve never seen someone unravel so quickly on the forums. Please do keep up. I got a kick out of this.
It can easily get more coherency… by being ranged instead of melee. Melee is the source of the incoherence.
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I do…and I HAD sympathy for them…right up until they started foaming at me for having my own personal opinions.
Now, I couldnt care less if they get their spec back or not.
I mean you declared their main interests in the class to be boring and generic pretty early on…
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and AGAIN…Im ALLOWED to have MY OPINIONS. Some really seem to feel threatened by others opinions in here, lol
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OK, and I’m allowed to have mine, too, and my opinion happens to be that your posts are a bunch of droning melee favouritism that adds no value to the thread.
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