I’m not sure what your point is. It looks like you’re suggesting RSV Hunters lost more than MM and BM.
Why else would RSV hunters come to these forums day after day to make sure Blizzard knows they made a mistake?
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I dont believe people hate the spec itself but rather how it took the place of long time beloved spec. Some days tho it feels like, if they took frost from mages and made it a melee spec just by taking their wand and giving them a spear. No durability changes either. Survival in a nutshell
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The irony of you having the nerve to tell anyone else that they’re revisionists is astounding. You rewrite hunter history all of the time in order to support your childish arguments.
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Bepples, I value your opinion, but I take issue with a couple points you made:
I have no idea what you mean here. MM never lost Steady Shot, and BfA is a bit out there. Shadowlands brings it back a bit closer to older iterations (if you talent Chimaera Shot, which I HIGHLY recommend), but Rapid Fire is still super weird.
Lock and Load is undertuned, not dead. It is FAR more fun IMO than Calling the Shots or Piercing Shot.
Explosive Shot is dead not because it sucks (it did in Legion, when it was a skillshot, it is much better now), but because it competes with Careful Aim.
Dude you’ve been caught lying through your teeth on many occasions (you’ve even deleted comments you’ve made in order to hide this fact!), and you ignore all available data to make claims about a class that you don’t even play in order to deride people who are just giving feedback with the hopes of improving the class. The only irony here is you having the nerve to suggest somebody else is a liar or a child.
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Yeah, as I read this, I look at both of you who fit this very sentence 
. You can write you paragraphs, in the end it is was it is, just stop reaching.
Doesn’t matter if it was a meme, a picture, whatever. The point is Survival back then WAS melee and survival focused. End of story.
What “new” thing? If anything range survival was the NEW thing they deleted melee/survival for. The mess are you even writing? What they “made room” for was the old melee/survival kit that WAS there at the beginning.
And I hate to break it to you too, but regardless of it being none core or whatever, it was melee. It came before the “range dot build”. Also, many other melee specs weren’t even core. Look at today’s build what is core and most used for Hunters? The mess are ya’ll even trying to write? AT 
THE END OF THE DAY MELEE IS BACK FOR HUNTERS.
He/she is known for his/her foolishness. Been doing that a while on Survival posts.
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No it wasn’t. Survival was ranged focused just like the Hunter class in general was. The melee attacks were only there to be able to do something while we got out of melee range.
For example, Counterattack was a melee Survival talented ability. It’s only purpose was to root melee attacks so that the Hunter could go out of melee range so they could use their ranged weapon again.
Anyone who claims that any Hunter spec was ever melee either never played Hunter or they have memories of their 7 year old self whacking target dummies in melee range because their ‘playstyle’ wasn’t viable in any area of PvE or PvP.
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there was no steady shot in legion though
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Not for BM or SV. It was the builder for MM.
Rapid Fire didn’t exist.
the builder was arcane shot my dude
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You are both wrong and right.
Steady Shot was in Legion for MM hunters, but as a talent on the first row. It served as a builder as well as Arcane shot.
Arcane gave 8 focus, Steady shot gave 25% more focus regeneration.
You can look up this old PvE guide for legion for reference:
https://forum.wow-freakz.com/7.2.5-PVE-Marksmanship-Hunter-Guide-t551597.html
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Nope, I was just wrong, super wrong. Misremembering old expansions is a casualty of playing all of them - they all kinda run together somewhat.
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Its all things of the past now… nostalgia will affect how we remember some stuff. We’ll mix two different era thinking it was the same.
It was not. If it was melee focused you would have at least seen one in pvp. The 1 and only melee hunter I ever encountered prior to Legion was a BM hunter in BC. Perhaps you should get your facts straight. Or how about this. Go play classic as a melee hunter.
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Just checked… still melee.
Nope, pretty sure Classic Hunters use ranged weapons. Want me to ask in trade or LookingForGroup chat what spec I should be if I want to raid as a melee Hunter? I can screencap the results even.
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it’s ok legion was pretty weird
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Retail… that thing you don’t play but spend hours whining about. Don’t worry, when Shadowlands launches and SV is still firmly melee you can slink off into the nether again.
It will depend on Blizzard and whether or not they fix the class. Sorry but I’m not obligated to play a broken product. But I will give feedback as to how to fix that product. Then when/if Blizzard gets their act together and fixes the class/Survival, I will play it again. As for now, I’ll stay on the forums so long as I stay subbed for WoW Classic.
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Ok, sure. Let me talent out of abilities that were there to buff melee/survival/traps only. The mess… . Hunters back then, or, in general, had a spec they were masters at, and knew the basics of others. For example; I can’t believe I have to explain this to a Hunter, BM was focused as a master of pets while being able to use ranged/melee abilities. Their ranged abilities were no where near MM Hunters, but it was enough. They also had the basic knowledge of raptor strike, traps, and other basic melee abilities if you didn’t buff them. However, you could buff those or BUILD how you wanted to if that was to balance or what fit your play style back then. Like other classes and their specs. So when you put all points into or some into Survival, OF COURSE you can put some into, say, MM to strengthen your range abilities. Hence, why individuals like ya’ll think Survival was only Range… when it was FOCUSED ON BUFFING MELEE/SURVIVAL/TRAPS. Just like how BM buffed pets, and MM buffed ranged abilities.
Can you not even understand what the specific traits for Hunters back then? Let me tell you then. BM was HEAVILY FOCUSED on PET, while they has decent range and basic melee abilities UNLESS YOU put points into said tree. You understand that, right? Cool. Considering you’re a hunter you can grasp that, at least. MM was HEAVILY ranged with basic pet and melee abilities UNLESS YOU put points in said tree. I’m pretty sure you understand where I’m going now, right? Survival was HEAVILY melee/survival/traps where it buffed your dodge/traps/melee abilities, while having the basics in pet and range unless you put points into said tree. Got it? THAT was Hunters back then. Pet/Range, Range, Melee/survival/traps. The mess are you talking about. Where in the tree does Survival buff range or pets? When you’re so far deep into not seeing, your believing overshadows reality .
Jeez I guess Ret paladins are Holy, Shadow Priests are Disc, Fury Warriors are Proc, Enhancement Shamans are Resto, etc… The mess…
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