I main a Frost DK. My secondary stats priority is Crit/Mastery. I have my loot specialization set to Frost. Yet every single drop I’ve got from S2 Delves/heroics/mythics has been versatility heavy.
Every. Single. Drop.
I realize there are pieces out there I haven’t seen yet that are crit/mastery, but like I said, I haven’t seen them yet. RNG is killing me.
Loot spec doesn’t prioritise any stats just in case you were wondering.
You could try crafting rings/necks if you feel you need specific stats, they have the biggest amounts so it’s easy to swing it until you get luckier.
Tis but RNG.
I got the Haste trinket from the weekly. Haste is very low on my priority list.
I know im wrong and thats OK, but, i really do think Vers should be only a good stat for tanks.
I don’t like Versatility because specs that favor Versatility, such as Sub Rogue or Brewmaster, do so in lieu of their base tuning being adequate and specs that generally end up favoring Versatility have one stat or two secondary stats being basically worthless such as, in the case of both Brew and Sub, haste.
Crit is also pretty much worthless for Sub because the attacks you want to be big hits you’ll just use cold blood and it’s like…I like cold blood and think it’s fun, but it sucks when your spec is tuned in expectation of such mechanics.
And when Versatility becomes a valuable stat, like it was in the final 3 patches of Dragonflight where pretty much every spec in the game was picking up at least 10-15%, the specs were practically unplayable without it and it’s a crappy feeling to have your healing and damage completely suck because it’s just not tuned well out of the box
I guarantee you that Versatility is not as bad as you think it is.
It’s there so you have better gear to strive for. If it was easy to find the best secondary stats, you might get bored.
I main paladin, so we have the same gear aside from tier or catalyst stuff, and I sit at 4.7% vers at 654 iLVL, all but 3 pieces of gear are at Hero level with my wrist and weapons being crafted.
When I see a world drop has ‘2 random secondary stats’ … is assume it means ‘1 random secondary stat and Versatility’ …
I’m getting vers on like everything, so yea something is going on.
RNG stacked on some RNG.
I’ve done a lot of delves between S1 and now. Primarily, the delve loot table is heavy on vers items, but not all.
While stating the list may be incomplete, Raidbots will give the loot table for delves via the droptimizer option.
In s1 I noticed across 3 toons that the more ideal stat pieces don’t show up “sooner” rather than “later”. Same went for the better trinkets. Candle Confidant was superior to any other delve trinket for me and that thing didn’t show up for weeks. I think my lock friend finally got a heroic CC 10+ weeks in. For example, the suspicious energy drink and the funhouse lens are the best trinkets for myself out of delves this season. A blue SED has dropped so far, along with a couple really bad ones. Well see what vault offers up.
Idk why they do this. Incentivizing other content/difficulty? Idk but I guess if you top out at delve gear, they must figure you need all that vers .
I try and use those heavy vers pieces for catalyzations to tier when able.
Seems the loot table was a little more bloated in s1, so far only rings and trinkets have a high loot table, most tier slots only have one item and the off tier aside from cloaks is smaller too.
While I’m sure there is favorable RNG it usually doesn’t grace me with its goodness.
Gotta keep grabbing that dangling carrot til it’s one you like!
Versatility was originally Resilience, a PvP Stat introduced in the very first expansion, The Burning Crusade. It’s a bit ironic that some builds now encourage it as a PvE Stat, and Blizz has tailored it to reflect it as well.
Personally, I avoid Versatility altogether unless the Spec boosts it in a passive talent-node in some way, such as Outlaw Rogue, then I get some more Versatility Gear to help me face-tank mobs in delves.
I don’t know why anyone deeply cares. ilvl trumps second stats outside of a few instances and tier-set bonuses.
False. ilvl doesn’t trump secondary stats. Quite the opposite, actually. Example, I run Crit as my main stat, with Mastery followed closely by Haste. No versatility.
If I went with purely ilvl with a bunch of mixed stats, I’d be less effective in general in PvE than if I had my preferred stats.
not if your doing pvp. its also a requirement to have a ton of it for pvp.
Right.
So losing 1300 crit vs gaining ~300 agility and 1300 mastery/haste/etc is worse (Roughly two tiers of Champion) than just keeping the crit? You got some math on that?
You could always say “Sim before you change gear.” There’s also the whole element of saving valorstones/crests for better bumps.
Bottom line, ilvl is generally better than second stats. Your primary stat is your biggest gain in most instances. Constantly focusing on secondary stats can hold you back.
This is absolutely false.
The accurate statement is closer to something like:
((iLevel + 10) with poor stats) > (iLevel with best stats)
At least for Arms, but I have no reason to believe that’s not true for other classes.
It’s important to note the wiggle room implied with “closer” because how much higher in iLevel something needs to be is going to vary a bit. Because it may even be more like iLevel+15, with our current iLevels.
But to just say “higher iLevel is better” … is absolutely not accurate.
As a general rule of thumb, ilvl is better. Unless you want to go throwing some math at it. Even then you’re looking at what? 1-2% DPS loss?
If we’re talking 5-10%, yeah sure, there’s a big problem. Otherwise all this obsessing over secondary stats (At lower ilvls) is folks perpetuating a non-issue.
There’s a reason all these guides say main stat > secondary stat > other secondary stat. If you want to be hardcore and min/max go for it. Else it won’t kill your class to stop caring until your ilvl is high enough.
It’s not that it’s bad so much as it’s boring.
Haste makes you faster. Crit makes large numbers on my screen.
Mastery can either be interesting or boring depending on spec.
Vers is just a flat outgoing damage increase and incoming damage reduction. It doesn’t do anything interesting.
Every single piece of plate I get from leveling has intellect on it, and Dwarf warriors plus intellect equal no go 
It’s just the way the cookie crumbles. In classic I ran ZG for near 2 expansions farming the raptor and tiger mounts which never showed up, but for a friend to show up towards the middle of WOTLK to get both of them in two weeks of starting his farming…
it’s stupid but just the way the RNG cookie crumbles
I did have Thunderfury so I couldn’t whine to much 