If you ever played classic wow from vanilla-cata wowhead is great tool. We are able to go to a list and see what order items are listed whats an upgrade from a stand point of a new player. You had listed every upgrade from greens/blues to end game epic and every step of the way for most if not all classes. Was the information slightly wrong some times? Yes but over the vast majority of the list it was ok to follow and would almost always lead to better performance. Look at wowhead now. You want to know what item you should get next to improve your character what do you do? Well dumby you SIM it⊠how many people even know you can sim gear let alone the people doing it, but you give them a list to chase and them quacks are off to the races.
I know times are changing but with players in the 3 guilds im in most have never even touched a sim tool, but during wrath classic they followed that list to a dying breath.
I think it would do everyone better to give a list or explain better why you want this item over the other. We are so fast to give information to others without ever explaining why. Why do i want this trinket. Well sims higher of course. Wtf did i just learn other than it sims higher⊠why does it sim higher? I think we just need to clean up all the information and make things easier for everyone to understand when i say hey just use tsm for ah it helps out. Wtf is that guy going to do woth tsm other and uninstall and grab another to list his 1 copper cheaper.
Information wothout context helps no one when everyone is expected to know 20 years of information bloat.
BiS items and stat weights are in every spec guide. Every spec guide explains why you want certain stats over the others and has a link to another website, Archon, for additional gear alternatives.
Unless you want people to read it for you, not really sure what else youâre looking for.
Im talking more about the level of detail between both wowheads. Shadow Priest Wotlk
retail Shadow Priest
You can clearly tell which one was a passion project from someone that clearly care about the game and would dedicated YEARS of research to understand every part of the class for game 20 years old vs someone that needs to make a content post for a website that cares less about its content authors then ever before.
Edit Iâm not saying the author did anything wrong or blame said person its just the website as a whole struggles to theory craft at the high end levels like that have for all the release of classic wows.
I mean that comparison is tough to make between the two. The WoTLK guide encompasses the phases throughout the entire expansion and has 17 years worth of previous information to rely on where as the retail one is a guide for just the first patch of TWW and 6 months worth of content. Apples vs Oranges
Wrath came out in 2008, there is no theory crafting left to do in 2025 for Wrath Classic because it was done 17 years ago. Wrath doesnât have anything new in it to theory craft. Current content is changing hotfix by hotfix patch by patch so the theory crafting is on going this less room or reason for this passionate fluff you desire.
I remember playing classic and burning Crusade without ever realizing there was even a resource to use like Thotbot. nowadays, you can just Google your question and get 15 different possible reactions and responses to what it is. Youâre looking for with a top four or five sites that have the answers.
Thereâs a very simple answer why âSim itâ is more prevalent in modern WoW. There are so many more items and they come at every single item level. We no longer live in a world where thereâs 2-3 pairs of bracers and one is a clear winner in a set of BIS items. Itâs now more like thereâs hundreds of essentially equal BIS gear combinations using a variety of items, but theyâre only BIS in that specific combination. Telling you to get XYZ and ABC isnât really helpful unless you also have the other specific items to yield the stats suggested. BIS lists are fundamentally out of date in modern WoW, especially when 99% of people donât have access to the items at max ilvl and will find ilvl beats stats in most cases.
I can build an example and tell you what principles it adheres to, but ultimately youâre better off following the principles and simming yourself than chasing down a specific list of items.
The exception for this is trinkets, where there can be room for more discussion. However right now thatâs rendered moot by the strength of spymasters and relative blandness of other options. Itâs spymasters + either gale, crystal, egg, or changeling. And thereâs no nuance or meaningful distinction to make between those 4.
My counter is something like this comparing to Wowhead
wingsisup. com/home
and
docs.google. com/document/d/1FJlB1T8ijaQLjY_cihyoyhLoi6lYRnT-N-ipVFCLidE/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.a6bxyden5y3v
The level of detail is outstanding where a person has used so many resources and tested at all levels of play how a class ticks. Wowhead use to be like this, now its not.
Why cant wowhead have testing like this?
It seems like this is bygone era of wowhead the true passion and understanding core mechanics and fundamentals of the systems that make this game work are no longer talked about, broken apart and laid bare to see by the masses. âWhere did the love go? NO where did the math go?â
My brother Ugla back in TBC was the winner of the monitors from Wowheads screenshot give away. He took over 1000+ screenshots with my help (I was the little brother at the time that wanted his hand me down monitor because I was still using an Adata 14in CRT) and we went through hours of quest data to make sure wowhead had better information then thotbot and to win them prizes.
I miss the bounties wowhead had. How they use to have rewards and prizes for hard work.
Just donât tell me its not possible, because it was before and it could be again. Money moves mountains when paid to do so.
All the testing work is still being done, Shadow has one of the most thorough and experienced TC communities of all specs in the game of which I am a part but ultimately WoWhead just isnât the place to get into the weeds with things anymore because of the prevalence of community sites and discords. You might want to see the maths behind it all but the reality is the majority donât and are often more put off and confused by it, same with extensive bis lists of old they just do more harm than good.
Is Wow-head having issues today. Was working fine and now it says, 504 Gateway Time-out when searching for website in Bing or my tab that is usually open to the website 24/7.
If we could answer the question without the sim, we would.
But we canât, because âit dependsâ on all sorts of different factors (you, your gear, the boss, the parties gear, the parties buffs, what other players do when to you â or not, etc.).
