Why SHOULD the Alliance have faction pride?

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It would.

IIRC an artist once made the mistake of changing her twitter background to some alliance fan-art.

She received enough harassment and death threats that it’s now the same art, but with horde characters instead.

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Yeah, go back to legion where we all follow around alliance heroes and the horde is nowhere to be seen. Or back to wod when we killed a bunch of horde heroes. Or MOP when we raided the horde capital and killed horde heroes…

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Enhancement shamans were one shotting people in pvp.

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Y’know, when the “faction expansion” arguments pop up, the Hordies like to bring up Legion as an Alliance expansion, with the heavy interaction with Alliance NPCs and races/factions through multiple zones, including the entire finale on Argus.

Key differences to note: Not once do those Alliance characters put down, attack, or harass the Horde. Quite the opposite of what happens in every Horde centered Expansion.

The bigger difference, though:
Legion was massively successful. MoP (all about Garrosh and his war), WoD (all about the Horde heroes from the 1st War and their war), and BfA (all about Sylvanas and her war) have all been accompanied by massive sub losses.

So maybe they’re right. Maybe Legion is an Alliance expansion. And maybe players just like the Alliance stories better.

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Going to be honest with ya… I really think you are letting your anger towards something in game get the better of you. If you have seen anything from 8.1, it is literally Alliance focused + one small interesting thing for Horde. I have no clue where this Blizz hates alliance thing came from.

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Genn Greymane attacked Sylvanas.
And before you bring up what Sylvanas was doing, keep in mind Genn did it WITHOUT KNOWING THAT DURING A CEASEFIRE.

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From my understanding, the Horde story in Stormheim didn’t really feature Genn too much, did it? Wasn’t it also mostly about Sylvanas, Helja, and Odyn?

That’s what I was talking about. The primary story focus of the zones. Like Turalyon in Argus, Malfurion and Tyrande in Valsharah, the spectral Night Elves in Azsuna, or the Nightborne and Night Elves in Suramar.

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I don’t care if the alliance are nice or mean to me. The last thing I want to do as a bloodelf is work for dalaran. The last person who should be kind to an orc is alleria. Turalyon tried to kill an undead holy priest on sight… I mean these people SHOULD treat me like crap and I have 0 reason to like them.

And when thrall was saving the world he was pretty nice as I recall. Vol’jin was bringing in alliance to fight the zandalari. Baine is just an alliance sympathizer.

Genn shows up as much as sylvanas does. The zone is mostly about recovering the artifact by undergoing the trials, which even sylvanas stated was your mission. She went off to do her own thing from the start. Genn fires on your ships and the next time you see him he is bombing a forsaken camp.

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Well, another difference: in those expansions the faction conflict was on the back burner. MoP was moderately successful but even the Horde turned against Garrosh in the end, WoD was a mess from the get go, but we also had to deal with teh flight debacle there and in BFA, well, it was another “lets smack the Horde with the villain bat again”.

I find this more telling that blizzard can’t really write the faction conflict in a way that appeals to both factions. Alliance get shafted because the Horde is the driving force in faction conflicts, Horde gets shafted because in order to be that driving force, one of our leaders has to get smacked with the villain bat and take us all down with them.

If the “faction war” is the main part of warcraft, why do expansions focusing on it turn out to be the worst ones made?

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I mean yeah story wise the alliance is always beating the crap out of the horde in any full scale war simply because the horde can’t stand up to the alliance production machine.

The problem comes with that the alliance playerbase never feels like they win. Sure we are told we win but we never really get to feel it. All we do is lose territory and such. We never get to take things.

I am glad at least we finally have stromgarde back even if it is on a rotation essentially.

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but he also voices Varian Wrynn . sooo… it would have been nice to have him say it once and awhile…or atleast once…

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thats just it. Yes the Alliance have a ton of lore and amazing stories… in books… Not in-game. Meanwhile, horde have it the other way (i assume), which i think is the problem. we’re not seeing those amazing ally lore here in the game where it should be.

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All lore should be in game, not in books or comics.

Because most of the playerbase isn’t reading them.

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They can use the books and comics to expand on the lore, but all base lore, including victories and losses, should be in game.

By expand, I mean things like the meeting in BtS, the minutiae of how the victories or losses happened, things that don’t really effect the game but provide the bigger picture.

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We have Jaina. The best character in the game. We also have Anduin. The most beautiful character in the game. We also have Genn. The goodest character in the game. How could you not have pride in the alliance?

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So I’m not big on faction hoorah and all that stuff, especially when folks take it too seriously. I just wanna say that I love that we do act as an Alliance in all situations. BFA is the first time I’ve actually see real conflict happen between the leaders. After BFA we’ll have everything patched up or things could be getting tense. But we’ll work together to figure it out. We’re an Alliance and I love that :slight_smile: .

One thing that I think they did poorly was put Anduin as the head hancho without any delegation. It seemed like he inherited it, which is not what the Alliance is about. If they could go more into that, I’d be happy.

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I’m personally still waiting for that ‘fist pump’ moment we were promised.

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Agreed. At least Metzen tried in earnest to reach across and show he was passionate about the other side.

When someone as important as Ion’s solution to a problem sounds as disconnected and misunderstanding of the topic at hand, telling people to “just join the horde” It’s just disheartening to hear and makes me wonder if they really are listening to anything at all.

This is my biggest attempt to continuously play WoW again mostly because of the new Allied Races and knowing nothing back then about the RNG fest the game has become. I’m trying to swallow the bitter rng pill in the hopes that the game gets better and the Devs communicate more, but it’s just not looking like it.

I didn’t make it past 7.0 last time I rejoined for Legion. For WoD I didn’t even hit level cap. For bfa I’m still going, but the main reason for logging in (raiding) isn’t really a thing anymore because my friends just went Horde side. It’s just all so disheartening.

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No clue?
Guess you’ve never been to Blizzcon.

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Ooh, Ishnu Alah weary, Thanastasia, uhgn, is that a 2H weapon you have there, or are you just pleased to see me? Ooh
To the Horde, winter is coming, and so am I :stuck_out_tongue:

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