Yes, he said they mostly remedied the racial problem.
That does not undo the damage that was done by it. Players still transferred away, and with the new overall parity (that still favors the Horde, even if only slightly), there is no reason to transfer back. And there is a new reason to stay away, as players have more options in terms of players to choose and take because so many interested in the high level content wound up on the Horde side as well, for various reasons. Had they actually balanced racials years ago (and, no, nerfing a few Horde ones before does not mean they were balanced) they could have stemmed the loss of players. Now that they’re gone, it’s going to be a lot harder to bring them back.
They’ve stitched up the wound, but don’t have any way to fix the blood loss.
I gave up because you can not be reason with. Some people just want to argue and not even try to pay attention to what they saying in first place. You know that you was wrong in first place. You said no changes was done in WOD. i showed you. then you say irrelevant. Yet it was a counter argument to your saying racial are op. It showed you taht you were wrong. Yet you will not admit it. Instead you playing on everyone against me card.
It old and it not a valid method for debating. Once you realize the one you debating is not going to have a rational discussion it over.
Especially when you say iron dwarf not op. they had two Nerf and one more coming in next patch. It not horde that whining it alliance players who do not want to be forced into playing one.
Like i tell anyone. If you not going to be rational no need to talk to you.
okay you can be painted as the bad guys constantly. I’ll take good looking cities, a king who is there and not a revolving door and we’ll siege stormwind for 14 months and still claim its Alliance focused.
You give up because you want to make a point and then have everyone concede to it, but your logic is weak at best and overall faulty. Then you try to further strain your argument by claiming that WE don’t understand English.
A debate is a back and forth. If you’re through, leave. If you have a new point that hasn’t been debunked by myself and others, please, contribute.
But don’t act like our disagreeing with you is not being reasoned with.
No, he said that the racials weren’t balanced in WoD. Which they weren’t.
“I showed you. then you say irrelevant. Yet it was a counter argument to your saying racial are op. It showed you taht you were wrong. Yet you will not admit it. Instead you playing on everyone against me card.”
No, you showed they changed Horde racials. You did not demonstrate at all that they were not still OP.
They’re nerfing Blood DKs in 8.1. But not by a lot and they’re still by far the best tanks.
That why i say alliance need a culture shift. they have the players. i play a alliance at 120. I know this for a fact: for some reason few do mythic or raids. Its not something that can be fixed.
There need to be something on alliance side to get people to move over. It not going to just be developers. they have tried over years to entice players over. It varies on how people see it. Still they continue trying. In next patch they done a ton for alliance.
It still neglects the core problem is alliance do not raid or do mythic in large scale. That the core problem. unless you force transfer people. there not a lot to do. It not like they dont have players. It just for some reason alliance players just do low levels bg and social activities. i do not know why.
easy when they only Nerf two in current round. One was a recent changed. the other was already Nerf. That telling me that largely remedy was already done and all have been brought in line. But these two. One the troll one makes no sense on why.
You keep saying all are op. But they were nerf. Look at patch notes. each horde was reduced or taken away. Some by a very large margin. Thus they were by his own words done.
“There need to be something on alliance side to get people to move over. It not going to just be developers. they have tried over years to entice players over.”
Literally name ONE thing the Devs have EVER done to try to get people to play Alliance.
“It varies on how people see it. Still they continue trying. In next patch they done a ton for alliance.”
Giving the horde Night Elf Dark Rangers and taking one of the only Night Elf zones away to turn into an eternal battleground that will never be won, while replacing the Alliance with AI in battlegrounds is not “doing a ton for the Alliance”.
“It still neglects the core problem is alliance do not raid or do mythic in large scale. That the core problem. unless you force transfer people. there not a lot to do. It not like they dont have players. It just for some reason alliance players just do low levels bg and social activities. i do not know why.”
The devs and the high end players have admitted why, you just refuse to acknowledge that. It’s because the Horde was blatantly OP in racials for a decade, and all the people who wanted to do the top stuff transferred for those bonuses. Now that things are balanced, there’s no reason to go back.
At the end of the day, the Alliance comes out on top because the Horde leadership makes some kind of cartoon villian mistake and costs themselves the war. This way the Alliance can remain the vanilla hero, the Horde story can continue to be disfunctional and disjointed between the story of the Horde as a faction and the Horde player… and Blizzard can set themselves to hit the ‘Horde does boneheaded thing again’ whenever they want to try to play on ‘Faction Pride!!!’.
There is no reason for anyone to have pride at this point. I mean the Horde leader started an asinine war for reasons that she admitted were already moot due to the spread of Azurite across the entire world already being known before the armies started marching… and she is one mustache twirl from being a villain straight out of the old black and white films.
So what your solution then. tell me. I play both side. Alliance have the players to do raids they don’t. You saying the only reason why they don’t raid or do mythic is because of racial. Racial at best give a 1% gain on a battle. that bull and you know it.
Alliance has the players. They do not engage into raids or mythic. How is a company going to changed that? By given massive imbalance. That only lead one side switching to other. it still does not solve core problem. ALLIANCE do not raid or do mythic now. You now have ex horde players on alliance side. Still have the problem that they had form day one in BTC. Alliance stop doing high end raids for some reason. Blaming on people switching side. has merits if proven. Still neglects the fact that a very large core of players do not do raid or mythic.
Because Blizzard needs to offset the advantage the horde had that caused so many Alliance raid guilds and PvP players by granting the Alliance the same type of advantage to give incentive for those players to reroll Alliance.
If they don’t do something, PvP will disappear as we know it.
Do you just want to do BGs with AI bots? Cause that’s what’s gonna happen.
I always post on this character (and I just learned I don’t need to be subbed to post!) but I play Horde and Alliance; I have a main each faction, and consider them equal. If push came to shove, though… I’ve got more high level Alliance than Horde.
Having played both sides, having been around since Warcraft RTS 2, Vanilla, et al, I see Horde bias. I’ve never really felt it was a significant problem though. If 55% of the people play Horde and 45% of the people play Alliance… does it really matter? But, I see it in the stories, the racials… and most especially when you see what happens at Blizz Con. Anyone remember the Cannibal Corpse debacle?
…but it’s become a problem now. The faction imbalance is obviously something that’s a problem; you can’t tell a story with two sides with only one side. The raid success is all Horde. Warmode is called Hordemode. Sure, maybe Metzen was unbiased enough to be drafted to rep the Alliance a few times, but nobody with any sense really believes he’s an Alliance fan-boy. He’s Green Jesus, and he bleeds Horde red.
But, like I said… it’s a problem now. Warmode was supposed to balance PvP, but it really is Hordemode, because all I see in forums is Horde players crying because there’s no-one to PvP with in Warmode. A lot of that imbalance (especially in PvP) has to do with an immature attitude (common to gankers in general) that “oh boy! I’m an orc! I’m a zombie! I get to be the Bad Guy!!” And now that the writing rubber stamps that; the Horde is evil and the Alliance is good… it reinforces this ganking mentality. This is also garbage writing. The Warcraft story has always been, and should always be, that BOTH sides are the good guys. That’s not true any more.
And… even if no one at Blizz actually likes the Alliance, they need to put a stop to this obvious Horde bias in their public spaces. A lot of the problem is perception… and we’re seeing no love for Alliance at Blizz HQ, and no one is making any attempts to end abuse thrown at Alliance players (again, Cannibal Corpse at BlizzCon).
To be fair though, I recently left Alliance. The community is terrible, lots of cry babies about pretty much EVERYTHING. While there are some good guilds that like to progress, most are in the Horde. I really didn’t even feel like the Allies got the shaft this expansion. We had the best story, and a righteous feel to us. It made sense being an allied race of native Azerothians who were more “good” aligned and honorable.
The Horde players actually try at the game, have better attitudes, better community, and way less toxic negative self hating emo people.
Villains are ALWAYS more interesting than the “good guys”. You want Blizzard to show Alliance some love? Are you sure? Because something tells me the Alliance being made into villains won’t go over too well with the Blue Crew.
You’ve been told that’s the only two options for so long that you honestly believe that is the only possibility to make something interesting?
You wouldn’t accept that limitation in any book or movie, so why here?
Seeing as the devs can’t solve the problem of faction imbalance. Maybe someone at activision could fix things. So far the current dev team hasn’t been able to “fix” anything. Rng,classes, story, etc. How long has it been since faction imbalance has been going on? Quite a while, but now there finally addressing the issue. But it doesn’t mean that the issue will get fixed, but maybe delayed further.
Maybe offer free transfers/faction transfers for a set time to horde to switch.
BTW, I’ve figured out why no dev wants to admit being pro-Alliance. Look what happened to poor Christie Golden after the tree burning! She was sent DEATH THREATS by members of the horde! And when her Twitter background was an Alliance picture, she was harassed until she changed it to include horde.
Horde players here like to claim Alliance whining, but at least we don’t send people death threats when we don’t get our way.