Both have levels that rise, both with keys, just make one timed and one not… and the one that’s not timed gives lower ilvl gear and less stones / crests as a reward.
Heroic is not the stepping stone, Delves are not the stepping stone and even Myth 0 is not the stepping stone (as it doesn’t have affixes). To be able to learn the content, you have to do the content, but not everyone wants to race while learning.
Storytime:
Ran a +2 on my 615 tank (had already run it as dps). Stood in a different spot to others on the second boss. The healer and one DPS died, then left stating “this isn’t a learning dungeon”.
It’s was a +2… I wasn’t familiar enough yet and I wasn’t allowed to tank “differently”.
Myth 0 should be what youre talking about. Just remove timer from 0
Agreed. There should be a system in place to vote abandon if someone leaves before the dungeon is finished. Its not like they cant tell if youve gone down a member.
I can see how that could be abused but as it is currently youre just SOL
An untimed key gives the same rewards in the vault as a timed key of the same level. The end of dungeon crest rewards are less. So, isn’t what you’re suggesting with “one that’s not timed gives lower ilvl gear” more punitive than what we currently have?
No timers, no deprecated keys and I start climbing in Mythic…anything less than that and I will do what I have always done since BFA… Avoid Mythic Plus at all costs.
Mind you I don’t care if they do anything with Mythic Plus. I’m content with watching what’s left of the Mythic Plus community torpedo the game mode.
How is M0 not a stepping stone? There are no trash/boss mechanics in a +12 that isn’t in a M0. The affix doesn’t change how you would tank the dungeon. That’s a cope argument.
