What they should do, is put in Mythic level gear for all content in the game instead of restricting it to M+ or Raids.
It’d be pretty cool if I could fish up a piece of Mythic gear or randomly get a piece after spamming some random PvP.
I believe WoWs biggest issue is there isn’t enough reward for the effort that’s put in, for instance nobody likes running a dungeon and getting nothing out of it. It feels like a waste of time when you get no gear drop for your toon while someone else does, I know that sounds selfish but grouping isn’t the land of Nardia come true its the wild west of whose lucky enough to score and not fly off the handle for being cheated by the RNG.
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you only need to crank out 16s in the current iteration to get just what you want. if you need help, id help you anytime.
It’s already been bad for the last couple of years. Please don’t suggest they make it even worse. What to expect from UwUlperas anyway…
Normal raid is 415-437
Heroic raid is 428-441
You can get 424+ just from base crafted gear and dreamsurges.
Can get wryms from dreamsurges and great vault if you want to push to 437.
So with crafting, world events, and maybe LFR for great vault you could get pretty high already.
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Just pretend it’s a veteran piece, the end ilvl is the same. It happens to also have 4 additional upgrades if you do do the higher content.
I mean, except for the part where you can’t actually provide any source, let alone a reputable one. If Blizzard doesn’t release the subscription numbers for WoW (and we all know they don’t), then no source you could provide will have those numbers either.
Mythic runs on decline and people are still opposed to changes that benefit the casuals LMFAO
Op was right and time will prove you right
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Mythic + didn’t change the philosophy? Are you being serious? It completely changed the entire game. Affixes, gear, ratings, +levels, forced invite systems, God groups, balancing around it, it COMPLETELY changed how the game was designed, let alone played.
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No it didn’t.
The philosophy is still harder content rewards better gear. It’s just a new pillar that’s added.
I don’t think you understand how that stuff works.
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This community has an awful lot of people who continually seek artificial ways to knock barriers down, rather than take the basic courses of action required to surmount those barriers.
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No way. If you want the gear, do the content that gives it.
Why not remove heroic dungeons?
Its not gatekeeping gear, it’s a reward structure. You have just as much access to the content as anyone else, if you choose not to do it you’re only gatekeeping yourself
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I’m glad you think those are “barriers to overcome” but from a non mazed perspective its “why would I do this lol”
THERE ARE MORE CASUALS THAN YOU. THERE ARE MORE OF THEM THAN YOU. You guys who are content with mythics LOSING THOUSANDS OF PLAYERS should just play a private server with the same 40 people who still like mythics lmao
We have to appease casuals alright. I don’t want to be stuck here with the same group of people. Wow’s greatest selling point was being a massive world filled with people. Now its empty and sad.
Either accept change or be content in knowing you’re holding the game back
You mean lottery from vault? Yes exciting. Actually it’s more content to run heroics. It’s a senseless grind but if people want to do it I don’t mind
Like Dreamsurges? Yeah those are vastly more difficult than heroic dungeons 
Mythic dungeons (and raids, for that matter) are a relatively recent addition to the game.
Those exact words apply to those who don’t want to accept what is required to complete them and receive their rewards.
I once maintained this argument that “casual players are the backbone of the game, appease them”, but I don’t any longer. The game has long since distilled down to the core that will always be subbed. And it’s, to some degree, not them.
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Exactly this. If you are patient, and have time on your hands, you could have several pieces probably at 437 with only doing public stuff and queued events.
Elders in ZC now appropriately drop their two champion level items
Heroic dungeon weekly is a random champion item
Suffused camp can drop champion items
Weekly sniffer and Accord can include champion items (I’m pretty sure)
Dreamsurge even let’s you buy specific champion items (go for weaps derp)
And if you need wyrms, lfr vault or Dreamsurge can get those. Like three a week total. Over several months that adds up fast.
The problem is people want all of their alts at 437 too, and with minimal time and effort. Or they want their mage to solo rare bosses.
Casuals are appeased. We don’t need to appease lazy players that refuse to play the game and demand equality of outcome.
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