Would this be enough to help ST dmg? Presence of Mind into Pyroblast? Then use arcane blast as filler?
What?
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Pyro is useless even for fire without having it an instant cast and instant cast pyro is a fire thing.
Arcane wouldnât even cast pyroblast if they could.
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Not sure you play arcane currently, as presence of mind has 2 charges and makes the next 2 spells instant cast. This would also apply to pyroblast in theory, and thus would be a st dmg increase.
I know about presence of mind but its on a 1 min CD, it would barely be an upgrade.
The problem with arcane is they are the missile turret in a patch that is all about mobility.
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It might be a theoretical increase, but the way to design/balance a spec is not to steal something from somewhere else and call it a day. I mean if weâre gonna do that, Iâd like to commandeer some things from boomkin. ie: the other arcane caster that trounces arcane magesâ ST.
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if we need to steal something from fire it needs to be dragonâs breath, itâs dumb how fire gets the arcane CC of polymorph but arcane doesnât get the fire CC of dragonâs breath.
as for presence of mind, it has 3 charges and only applies to arcane blast, no other spells. which is fine, our damage is there and we donât need pyroblast, we need higher clearcasting procs and more utility to stay mobile during pvp and boss mechanics in raid
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True, Iâve been saying that the change they made to how clear casting and AM worked for BFA has benched arcane mage ever since. Legion clear casting and AM was just better and had mobility⌠Or just make it so that slip stream talent always allows AM to be channeled while moving.
No but Frostfire bolt would have been coolâŚ
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indeed having the idea of using Frostfire bolt under arcane would be cool, I would like a talent that replaces arcane blast which would also benefit the increase spell damage from Arcane charge, the only reason is that I like to have a projectile-style like filler for arcane, mageâs source of power is arcane âincluding frost and fireâ, it makes a great spell protection from interrupts, also arcaneâs is more about burning through mana and arcane power empowers spell damage rather than just arcane damage so having a different school of magic wouldnât harm the specâs identity, especially if itâs just a talent incase you donât want it and want to stay pure arcane and keep arcane blast for sniping purpose. Of course more likely you mean to give frostfire bolt as a base spell and I donât mind that at all.
Not really.
Pyroblast hits for pretty similar damage to a 4-stack arcane blast. Itâs more mana efficient and for fire mages can do extra damage with ignite, but thatâs about it.
Result is replacing Arcane Blast with Pyroblast for use during Presence of Mind would have virtually no effect on arcane mage DPS. It would still be as crappy as ever.
A much better fix would be to greatly increase the Clearcasting proc chance. A higher proc rate would both increase single-target damage and also arcaneâs mobile single-target damage.
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Increase clear casting and allow missiles to stack with arcane charges
If any of you have played LoL, youâll under stand this easier. Ryze is basically an arcane mage, but based on the number of charges he has saved up his spells do different things.
It would be awesome if they could do something along those lines.
4 charge arcane barrage garentees you 2 clear casting procs
3 charge empowers your âslowâ to root people
At charges your casting speed increases by 5% per charge after words
Etc
Or do something after barrage it increases one of your abilities
they used to, PoM/Pyro was a PvP spec back in vanilla when there was no specialization, fun days.,.
Well true.
But back then Arcane wasnât really an independent spec.
Instead it was simply the 3-minute mage build for fire or frost. Arcane Missiles was too slow, too easily interrupted, lost a tick if you took any hit, was far too inefficient in mana cost, and too low dps to be a main nuke. And neither Arcane Blast nor Barrage existed back then.
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âWhat if Arcane was Fire? Could it do dmg then maybe?â
do you work for blizz? lol
Sure give Arcane Pyro last. I mean pyroblast is completely useless without perks that make it instant cast but sure. Can fire also get mana gems then?
To be fair, I think OP had an honest question.
He probably doesnât play a mage, but has seen them in action. Heâs probably seen fire mages hitting hard with pyroblast while arcane does wimpy damage.
A natural question would be âwhy not give arcane spec that spell?â
Sadly, as a proposed fix, the suggestion wonât work for the reasons previously stated. Giving arcane Pyroblast for use with Presence of Mind would not increase arcane dps. The damage from Pyroblast is far too similar to that from a 4-stacked Arcane Blast.
Remember scorch weaving?
Arcaneâs old school major burst rotation use to be an instant cast pyrobast during cool downs followed by a fireblast, into ABs or AMs. Arcane talents were used primary as an enhancer to improve the mages capacity to be a master of âelementsâ, not just arcane. Arcane mages were the truest sense of a master of elements from a lore stand point and benefited immensely from weaving fire spells.
My question was designed to start a conversation in the hopes we could discover a viable solution for arcane mages.
The game has changed dramatically for mages since the days of Classic to Wrath. In the sense of the newest arcane that I miss, it was the mobility of legion arcane, if only that version had a little more ST dmg.