Why no tuning for affliction yet!

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im not level 3 on here yet so i cant attach the screenshots from warcraft logs heroic raid 75% and 95% in this last week . i also cant attach mythic plus warcraft logs from this last week. if someone with level 3 could that would be great.my point is there has been plenty of time now where all have double leggos and large amount at least have 2 piece tier .and lets face it we dont even need to see logs with 4 piece because nothing will change because affliction’s 4 piece is very weak.affliction is last in the raid for dps in all percentiles and now with tier and double leggos its tied dead last now with i believe BM hunters in mythic +

is the problem that demo is so overpowered and top tier in raid and mythic + that blizz needs aff the polar opposite to keep everyone else ok? is it that blizz is giving aff a complete rework in 10.0 so to keep other specs from being pissed they can show how horrible aff had it in all pve content previously ? i played a good amount back in 9.1.5 because even though not meta it was still fun to play in mythic plus atleast . ive tried to come back and play in 9.2 ( got my double leggo but no tier) and this is the tier where the fun should really be kicking in with power gains from acquiring leggos and tier pieces.its just impossible to play when you know from the get go at this point chasing after the tier pieces is just going to net you bottom dps in all pve content mythic + and raid.

i know alot of first response will be play demo or atleast play destro in mythic+.ive tried both those specs in past and just dont like them or maybe im just such an affliction lover it doesn’t feel right .even last couple patches we have been swamp a** tier in raid but thats ok someone has to be bottom but atleast there was some fun to be had in mythic+.i dont pvp but there is no excuse that any spec should be this bad in all pve content . all specs are completely different and should be treated so. the only thing i got in common with demo or destro is summoning stone and healthstones. im an affliction warlock and im just as bad playing frost mage and elemental shaman as i am playing demo or destro and even though the data is there and everyone knows how bad affliction is in all pve content the first response is " shut the hell up warlocks are the most op in this game". i like wow and hope some help comes to affliction soon so myself and others like me can have a reason to come back and play.

ps…im not hating on any other spec just trying to understand why affliction hasnt had tuning and it needs it the most…destro absolutely needed ST buff no matter how good they are in aoe ( just betting yall would have taken a 15% chaos bolt increase over 5% aura buff and probley deserved a 20% chaos bolt buff)

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might depend on where they look at logs and what they intend to dig into - if you look at mythic all percentiles warlock is 3 of the 4 top specs

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i sure hope thats not what they are looking at because in mythic all the the parses on bosses is like 1,5,10,1,7 etc for affliction… and if you look at the max dps for each spec most those fights affliction is at bottom … if it was 500 parses like heroic or a few thousand it would average out at bottom like heroic. but knowing blizzard you may be exactly right . its like all nba teams seeing whose the best 3 point shooting team and while every player on each team takes 10 shots a piece .the worst 3 point shooting team decides to only have there one best shooter take 3 shots . he makes 2 of 3 and now on paper they are the best 3 point shooting team in the league…lol

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i mean its certainly something we are technically blackboxed on in terms of the why in some scenarios or which KPIs (rough usage of KPI here) they look for in a spec and its performance on WCL

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To paraphrase Zetty:
“Blizzard has two hands, neither of them know what the other is doing (or even exists). One killed Malefic Rapture, while the other designed a tier set for Malefic Rapture.”

Blizz doesn’t appear to know how they can reconcile their goals for Affliction with its current design. It isn’t great for players who prefer Aff over the other warlock flavors, but two solid or better PVE specs is an overall success in 9.2.

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Sigh, I despise Malefic Rapture.

I’ve played Affliction since Legion and never unsubbed until now but the current Affliction design feels extremely miserable to play & I’m starting to question myself why I even bother.

I have the 4 piece set and people are probably thinking that I’m an idiot for still playing Affliction when they see me.

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Dead spec. No one wants to play it.

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I will correct you, favorite spec, but blizzard want it dead. Players forced to play other spec because affliction is terrible at the moment.

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According to WL looks pretty dead.

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Exactly what do you despise about Rapture? Is it the current numbers tuning, or the apparent confusion between Rapture and Seed as designated shard spenders for AOE situations?

I like the fact that Shadow Embrace switched places with Dark Calling, enabling a 2 minute cooldown at max level which aligns with Dark Soul: Misery. Embrace caused a longer ramp on one target and heavily skewed single target damage.

If I had to pick one thing that I disliked, it’s the fact that current Rapture design heavily promotes burn windows. Cooldown-based DoTs - things like Phantom Singularity and Soul Rot - contribute to Rapture damage.

Focused Malignancy is also scuffed on its damage progression. 53% was too much of a nerf; FM bonuses should instead have been nerfed by 33%, allowing a clean and clear progression of 1% per rank from 10% (ilvl 145) to 20% (ilvl 278).

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The Aff playstyle and rotation used to be simple enough to carry me through Legion & BfA. Maybe I have been spoiled during that time because as a noob lock I admit I never had to hard focus on generating / min-maxing soulshards and I still pumped out decent damage, especially on ST.

Then along comes Shadowlands with the introduction of Malefic Rapture and my damage went down the drain and I’ve never been able to recover since. I didn’t even like the spell back in 9.0 before the nerfbat hit.

I guess I’m putting most of the blame on Malefic Rapture because it really affected my playstyle - things aren’t simple anymore and it doesn’t make the rotation flow like it used to.

My personal gripes aside, it doesn’t help that the Aff 4pc bonus is pure trash and stuff like our BIS legendary for raiding (Malefic Wrath) being only craftable on shoulder and glove slots only adds insult to injury.

Until SL, I loved and enjoyed playing Aff but everything about it now is depressing.
Now I truly understand how Demo players felt when their spec was completely ignored by devs and considered as the dead spec that no one plays.

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I feel the same about Aff . I came back to SL 2 weeks ago after leaving for few months and its worst then 9.1. I got my 2 piece and you would think i would feel some power gain to go with double leggos but our tier and leggos are so bad . I couldn’t feel any power gain by playing so simmed and it was 6% increase and im like why keep going for 4 piece because we know its even weaker! lol.

The main problem for me is Aff has no synergy and what our power gain should be with added tier sets and double leggos is offset by horrible design by Blizzard . First example: in mythic plus we can go seed build and do more aoe but less single target, or use tier set and go Rapture build which gives us more single target less aoe . Either way we choose there is minimal power gain. Second example: in the raid we can use Necro leggo for more ST but our tier set adds minimal power gain because the more you Rapture the less your draining offsetting Necro leggo

At this point Affliction is so bad i dont think Blizz can even fix it without complete rework . i do believe Blizz should do something though buff seed damage, Rapture damage or dot damage. I also see how Demo players felt but atleast Blizz came out and said dont play it we dont care. Its the lowest dps in mythic plus and raid logs and if they dont plan on doing anything then please Blizz just tell us so we can play other spec or people that just play Aff like myself can go . Im still holding out hope for couple more weeks to see tuning.

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It’s not that no one wants to play it. It’s simply not great outside of unstack aoe gimmick. You can play demono like a drunk addicted to skooma and still beat affliction.

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at this point the bad spec design is intended, no other explanation, they dont want us playing affliction.

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Good. Play destro.

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windwalwer trolls over there ------------------>trash

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Who’s trolling… look at logs. Don’t play the affyduck spec.

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Aff was shining for a long while in all of Nathria and I think a bit in SoD. Also, Aff needs to have half or more of its legendaries redesigned to fit a better purpose and a more fun playstyle than the charade it has been this entire expansion.

  • It’s not a DoT.
  • It over complicates the spec design.
  • It is the shard spender when Rapid Contagion would have been a much better shard spender.
  • It isn’t a cool spell to press and fits Destruction or Demonology spec more.
  • It has a bad theme with Affliction and only goes with Aff because “DoT mainenance” which is dumb since it adds a much bigger ramp to Aff that Aff already didn’t need since it has DoT ramp.

The original design of it in Alpha/Beta was far better since it made your DoTs tick I think it was 400% faster for a short duration or something like that. That, in itself, was a much much better design, though I give them that it was a harder to balance design I guess, but it was a much better overall design for Affliction over what we have now.

What Affliction’s theme is: Shadow DoTs+Drains specialist.
What it should have: Nothing but DoTs and Drains.

Blizzard should go towards the K.I.S.S method: Keep It Simple, Stupiid. Literally DoT specs should be one of, if not the most simplest specs to play with the difficulty in playing them coming at multi dotting. Nothing more than that is actually needed. They do not need to reinvent this wheel that has already been invented. They don’t need anything special to go with it.

DoTs, themselves, are a very niche playstyle that very few player types actually enjoy.

Agreed, DoT specs, as a whole, should not be burst oriented. They really should be sustained damage profiles. This goes both for PvE and PvP alike. I understand burst is more favored, but with every single spec being burst or burst oriented it doesn’t make any sense at all. If that’s the case make fights extremely short, like 5 minute fights or 6 minute fights tops, as the very last boss and make other fights 2-3 minutes long instead. The longer the fight is the more it favors sustained damage profiles in most cases.

To be fair, though, I think blizzard should get away from CD based gameplay and just put sustained damage towards everyone, with CD based windows being very short CDs and very very small gains. A 1% damage amp every 30 seconds is fine, as it gives you a small burst damage profile for those wanting it while gravitating towards a sustained damage profile otherwise.

There’s many ways they could handle DoT specs that make DoT specs all about DoTs themselves and not some other weird style of play.

I, however, do dislike the burn windows promotion thing, though. I think going forward they should keep Torghast in future expansions, iterate on it, no longer make it required to do in any future expansion and instead throw silly options in there for people to pick. I think they could then use Torghast to see what people pick for each spec and design talents better in the future like this.

An example: While I hate MR with a big passion it does feel good when you do Torghast and have 2-3 of those “MR has a 15% chance to refund 5 Soul Shards” so MR has a 30-45% chance to refund them, instead. That feels absurd to play with but playing that it’s just Corruption slow on everything, run away, spam MR, they all die. Making Soul Conduit swap spots with a different talent could recapture this feeling and also buff it to be 30-40% chance to refund a Shard, instead. That would be a way to revitalize SC and make Aff more fun to play that was inspired by Torghast.

Silly things like that make it much more fun to play. That 20% Haste at the cost of 10% Stam ability is really cool, too. Lots of neat options in Torghast.

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Yeah, its pretty sad whats happened to my fav spec of over 18 years of WoW. Last chart up showing population size just over 3.9k players where demo at over 100k players. Affliction now the least played in the game, and its quite astonishing how few compared to the next highest still over 10k players. I still do well with it in keys and raids compared to some guild mates and pugs, but thats because im parsing in the 90s to 100s, where guys above me in the 60s and 70s trucking my dps. It’s nuts. And to think specs with healing capabilities and utility do more dmg than a pure dmg caster. Feels disrespectful.

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the devs do not work, it is part of the bankruptcy of blizzard with which I carried out the purchase by Microsoft, Blizzard at this moment is in RUINS, and will continue like this, the next expansion will be the same disaster 4 maps, weathered reputation, patch new, 1 map, the old forgotten maps, weekly weathered reputation, this is over give the poor world of warcraft a rest, if the devs can’t accommodate a simple class it’s because those people don’t want to work anymore and they don’t care, we’re still ripped off and paying for a bad product

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