Hunter pet Boss taunt (stack dump) for one.
Kiting mobs (such as the ghost bosses that the raid struggles to keep shackled for some dumb reason.)
Tranq shot in latter raids such as BWL.
Oh… and uhh. KINGS.
You didn’t have to wait long.
(See, you are melee, but you can also swap to Ranged as the raid needs- not something warriors or rogues can do.)
Pet takes double damage from bosses and basically gets deleted in one hit, two if they are lucky, just because you could exploit Mekgineer’s flame thrower doesn’t mean pet taunt is of any use on an actual boss.
Kitting with what? Wing clip?
Which can’t be used in melee and requires running out of deadzone on a spec that requires a Ranged MM hunter to buff the melee hunter into relevance.
Id be fine being middle of pack dps, if it was left that way for the phase.
I take issue with having a nerf 2-3 weeks into each phase meaning that ill never be able to perform like i did at the start. Thus killing my desire to play my favorite class, one which ive played since beta 2004 when they were first brought into the game.
Also people seem to constantly forget:
But instead we get knee jerk changes, yes its minor… ish, being around 8 % dmg. But then the questions comes… why? why not just leave it for the phase. Let warriors be top, let rogues be 2nd, and melee hunters 3rd? This is how it was going to play out and everyone knew it. Instead, naw lets do a nerf so they feel bad for the rest of the phase.
“Just because you could use it on that one boss we already did doesn’t mean it’ll be useful again!”
(Doesn’t mean it won’t either.)
Wing Clip/Concussive shot (if mob is susceptible to slows)…and just moving since there’s very little still-time when using a bow.
Just because you’re specced/runed melee doesn’t meant you HAVE to be in melee every fight, you have the capacity to be ranged when needed, and on the fly too. (Something other melees cannot do.)
It’s something the other melees cannot do.
You’re not the main character of WoW…you don’t have to have the best class. Find a class you enjoy, and play it. If it’s the hunter, just play it. Stop trying to be the main character in your raid.
Gotta go for now but:
TL;DR Hunters are fine, that includes Melee.
Ah there is the childish mindless dismissive comments i was expecting. /clap
Stop pretending that hunters haven’t been grossly OP every single phase. There’s a clear reason you get nerfed and no reasonable person can dispute it.
And those people will still compete with and without changes. If the only reason you were competitive before was a 10% boost to pet damage and a 5% stacking boost on raptor strike, you weren’t actually competitive you were just riding off the base damage boosts.
Yes. That’s how nerfs work. But all OTHER players are also working off the same metric. Unless you are comparing yourself to other dps classes in which case that’s not competition that’s ego.
Because when classes are overperforming they get a nerf. The nerfs are not just because you are higher than other classes, they also can be because you are higher than the expected values for your class. You can in fact be overperforming regardless of where anyone else is.
That’s a lie. PVP is absolutely meant to be balanced. Balanced around WHAT is the question.
Because that’s not how things work. They wait to see performance and then make changes. How exactly are they supposed to evaluate and make changes if they never get to do anything mid phase? This is just selfishness from you.
Perhaps you should if a single change to your class makes you this unreasonably upset. Because this won’t be the last time.
Which phase were we top/OP for the phase? Even now before the nerf we were 4th.
Hunters have been the top overall dps for the last two phases. What are you even talking about?
especially nelf hunter
A nerf is a nerf. The ability to attain that high end dmg is gone for the rest of the phase, just like 2 weeks into phase 2, just like 2 weeks into phase 1.
That’s how good parses in the 1st couple weeks stay for a phase. So I’ll just not compete anymore and feel good with that?
While i get this, define overperforming. 4th dps last week, dropping every week (expected due to crap scaling vs other melee)
Balanced around reddit and twitter complainers apparently
Yes, but they seem to dismiss scaling through a phase. Melee hunter goes into a phase with prebis and comes out in Bis and doesnt see a tonne of scaling nor increase in dmg. (compared to other melee)
SoD is my last wow version ill play, doing it for the friends i have, and the hope it was to be something amazing. Being nerfed 2-3 weeks into every phase is just bad design, how can you say its not?
Parses are compared between the other players across that period. You aren’t competing against those old parses every time. Learn to parse.
That’s not my job, that’s Blizzard’s. Blizzard decided a nerf was warranted. You can either live with that or go play another game.
Do you honestly think that original vanilla PVP was just thrown together without concern for balance? If this is your stance, you’re just here to whine and complain like a toddler and not have a real conversation.
Is that why melee hunter is the current top overall dps and second highest maximum damage for all of Sunken Temple right behind warrior? You’re just saying things that are untrue because you’re mad.
Leaving in overperforming changes without balance is worse imo. Sounds like SoD isn’t the game for you, and forcing yourself to play something you aren’t enjoying just because of friends is causing you issues. Perhaps you should do something for yourself for a change.
When I get burnt out on SoD I play some other games for a bit. You should try that.
yup just unsubbing until 60 phase nothing more to do this phase but farm 1 item in ST n pvp and now pvp is lame, so fun for another 45days
Read my post. I wasnt exagerating when I said hunters were on top for every phase.
Phase 1 and 2 were far more egregious than phase 3, but Hunters have been on top for SoD.
What logs you looking at? Warriors have been top, check logs. Hunters fell to 4th last phase, and same in phase 1. We start strong, but dont scale. So expect us at top to start a phase yes, but know that wont last as other melee will scale with their gear and pass us mid phase.
Last week had melee hunter 4th, before the nerf.
Melee Hunter here, I will chime in here… Not sure why people think we are the top dps…
If we are the top in your specific raid, okay… but when you look at the logs in Ranking of all classes, Last phase it was Shamans, Warlocks and Mages, hunters were pretty far down for individual parsing rankings… this Phase is Warriors and yes some hunters in the 7th position, but above are a bunch of warriors…
And as Nat is saying, we as the phase goes on, they will scale better and we will not be as prevalent on the Log boards…
Hunters are usually on top early as stated, but the fact we haven’t talked about the number of buffs shamans have received, or lack of nerfs to warriors, it does feel a little targeted at Hunters due to peoples natural ‘ire’ towards the class itself…
Running as a Melee hunter, my own guildies call me a Rogue wanna be, and warriors view me as someone who takes their gear, its okay, it is what it is… I am enjoying the class. I kinda wish I was Survivor Tree rather than BM and I had an interrupt… that would be great!
But lets not take a microscope to a situation that requires a broad view here…
Nat isn’t wrong by stating we aren’t the top dps, because the Logs clearly show different in past Phases.
Gnomer - Warlocks #1 - #20, then mages and more warlocks. Only hunter was Zatara at #44.
BFD - Mages at the top followed by a lot of Warriors
ST - Top 25 only 4 are Hunters, others are warriors with Majority.
You can’t argue with facts… Yes Hunters are pushing a higher DPS in your Raid, but ultimately… We aren’t the highest and the Nerfs we are getting are not because of our DPS.
One reason is: It’s a push to make More Ranged Hunters, as the Number of Melee VS Ranged Hunters are too large in difference. They want the player count of Ranged Hunters to be equal with Melee…
The other Reason is because of others players Natural Hate for the Hunter Class… Not sure what it is, but there is a large ‘ire’ for our class and seeing us being somewhat successful… we always get ‘flak’ for it. Hey shrug it comes with the class, I understand that… However, calling for our Nerfs when there are other classes just as broken, not getting the needed attention… that’s selfish in itself that a few of you previous posters pointed out about others… so…
It’s best to understand both sides of a Coin here… 
Do it please, unsubscribe, speak with your wallet. Its rehashed 2004 wow and Microsoft did not buy Blizzshart to make it good again, trust me. It’s a dying cow that still spurts milk b/c you losers keep pulling utters and Micorosft is running around with buckets catching it all
You mean you start strong, but get justifiably nerfed.
Just look at the gnomer logs for the weeks until you got nerfed. Hunters were not only top melee by a huge margin, but top damage overall. This was quite the feat given that raid had insane armor values. Hunters are top damage now too.
And drop the “we dont scale” argument because that really only applied to range hunter. Now that you have the dominant melee build, you scale quite well. It may not be quite as much as others who have ap built into their ability damage, but autos still scale quite well and are the largest portion of your dps. The only melee that scales extraordinarily is warriors because of their feedback loop of infinite scaling.
Why do people keep thinking it’s easier to buff the other 10+ specs in the game rather than rein in the one or two overperforming outliers? These devs barely have a handle on things as they are.
Pretty sure they bought the ‘packaged deal’ just to get Kings. AFAIK, Kings is/was making the bulk of AKB’s profits.