Why isn't there LFR for heroic raids?

It was the first and third for me. People would point the charge into the group and murk the healer and or 1-2 dps on the first. Or not kill the adds on the third.

Good times! Good times indeed.

Getting people to learn to jump on that fight was the hardest part. The struggles of being a shaman healer.

yup, Heroic LFR, just a higher ilvl rewquirement to get in

same LFR mechanics, just something to aspire to and progress towards

some of ya are clueless about most LFR players, they wouldn’t do nonmatchmade regular raiding even if LFR was gone - so telling them to do regular raiding is a waste of time

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That too, forgot about that.

Yeah I couldn’t get it either. Like he wasn’t a hard fight to figure out at all but I guess the pug healers I got just could not keep up with the damage because tanks just kept falling over in the first month.

Though mind you this is specific to pugs. After a bit I just always ran dungeons with 5 friends and we stomped them all no problem just chilling in Skype.

That’s PuG culture for you. Once I found more regularly people to group with, things improved a lot. I feel like random players I meet in Mythic dungeons are a cut above those heroic LFG heroes.

I don’t think this will go as well as you envision it going. LFR can barely handle LFR tuned mechanics, much less heroic tuned ones.

And personally, don’t think the game needs 5 difficulties for raids. If you want to move up, move up.

Isn’t this the reason we get so much number bloat each expansion now? Too many difficulties to scale for?

I think that’s part of it, another part being that if I remember right, blizzard wanted players to be able to feel the difference in the power of the gear from the different difficulties. And being fair, if I went from say LFR to normal level gear and only gained 5k dps, I’d be pretty salty about it.

You came back to the wrong game. LFR is content which awards the bare minimum, and never something time sensitive. Actually look into finding a guild or a community if you wanna do challenging content. Not every form of content should be completed by pushing a button and expecting Blizzard to form the group for you. It is an MMO.

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It’s an uphill battle with conflicting ideals of past game direction and modern game direction. Kind of like the Flying arguments. While Heroic LFR would be an ugly, miserable mess the same way LFR is, some people would still rather press a button than actually talk to people for… some reason.

Not all LFRs are bad. PUGs aren’t much different in normal mode, it’s just that the threat of being removed ensures people perform, but this week, with one week left to go before pre-patch I’ve seen a holy priest (yes, HOLY) out-dps a hunter in a normal PUG. So there’s really not much to support that statement. Sure, the average LFR is bad but I think some people posting here started out in LFR content raids. I certainly didn’t. I’d love to see all tiers removed myself.

History shows us that LFG does not work for harder content. Being able to just press a join button gives players the impression that they are able to complete the content when in reality there are many that cant due to the higher difficulty. Its causes all sorts of problems.

In regards to heroic raids, it’s because lfr raiding is a terrible experience as is. Heroic difficulty with complete randoms without an easy way to kick would be an absolute nightmare. That said, pugging is a good alternative. Higher chance of success when people can choose who they want in and remove people when needed, if needed. While pugging can still be pretty random at times, it allows more control than an lfr type system.

In regards to mythic dungeons, base mythics that is. Good question. At this point in the expac they are basically soloable, so I don’t see why they shouldn’t be in a lfd queue. Mythic+ dungeons though, should never be in a queue, the key holder should always get to pick who they want to attempt the key with.

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I can’t help but think that a vast majority of fully heroic capable players are either already running heroic or are choosing not to for various reasons.

This is almost entirely for those who have funky schedules or don’t want to have to socialise to get things done.

For the first group, you’re probably better off playing with groups from different countries or late schedules instead of sitting in queue all morning.

For the second group, I just don’t believe there are enough of you to make a viable queue. If I’m wrong, then my second belief is you just won’t get along with each other and explode any time something goes wrong.

LFR has nearly no mechanics and people struggle, you think queued up group of 20 randoms could take down a heroic raid?

Group finder pugs exist for that, or a guild if you aren’t extremely antisocial.

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Let’s go for it! This would pull a lot of folks out of the premade LFG and the ones who could actually get through the hard difficulty would know better than to queue for it.

I mean for the s#!tshow that it’ll be and amount of “nerf” this too hard cry in the forum. Then sure. It’ll be hours of entertainment.

Blizz could make a mint selling streams of this