I don’t mind it. I like that they’ve added that it has a chance to outright destroy Undead, Aberrations and Demons. I want more info on the chance for this to proc, and I’d like to know if ‘lesser’ means ‘anything that isn’t a rare or boss’.
The only real change I’d like to see to Turn Evil, is for it to stun Undead, Aberrations and Demons. This would make it way more useful overall.
Turn evil was mostly used in pvp to maybe fear some warlocl dk pets but most importantly, to fear the dks that used lichborne.
So with shadowlands “great” unprunning dks got lichborne baseline (turns the dk into undead with fear imunity) but our turn evil doesnt work on them like it used to work in past expansions. So turn evil is close to useless as it stands now. Does Something that niche deserves a spot on the tree? I dont think so but what do I know.
All the niche CC, like Shackle, Hibernate, and Turn Evil, etc… need to go baseline. If a talent needs to be dedicated to it, it should just empower the baseline spell in some fashion.
Lichborne is a perfect example.
If you want the flavor, spend a utility point for it, cool. If not, ignore it.
I wouldn’t mind it if there weren’t throughput talents you absolutely could not afford to lack just to maybe take a pretty situational CC ability. Talents as they are allotted right now, baseline makes perfect sense.
Yes, turn evil is amazing. I wish it was baseline but i’d rather a tree talent than removed or gutted. Use it on dk pet during transform, demonic tyrant, felhunter warlock pet to prevent interrupts, succubus to interrupt cast, hunter undead raptor pets (a lot of them run it to avoid cc on their pet and forget to change it out against turn evil), priest shadowfiend (hinders a lot of disc priest’s healing during that window), necromage (did a ton of damage during season 2). I’ve used it on kevins to get out of combat faster or fear a minion off my rogue
The conduit will be sorely missed though, and it’s a severe injustice that it doesn’t work on lichborn or metamorphosis demon hunters. With how strong dks and warlocks look to be in DF i’d throw a fit if turn evil wasn’t there
It is not, but I didnt ask for it to be removed, my point is something that niche should be baseline. Make me choose more important utility instead of TE. Also I find it very hard to believe you would run wrench evil all the time over lights barding or echoing blessings or if you were holy, pure concentration…
I dont have an issue with it being a niche cc in the class tree. But i think it should be instant cast
As holy i toggled the first row between lod/martyr potency or turn evil depending on what the comp was
Pure concentration got nerfed by 50% in pvp and i didn’t feel a reason to run it into non lock teams. 20% fear reduc once a minute on warrior fear or 10% increased sac/long horse wasn’t really a debate for me lol
Right but this is blizzard that can’t even give us holy shock increased crit baseline. No way they’d give an utility baseline and a dev would likely have looked at how many pve fights its used in then just axed it if thered been no spot in the tree 
sure it should be baseline but this is blizz and my point was that it’s not that niche and probably as deserving as song of chiji from monk*