Why is there no outcry against the real cheaters?

[Rhez-skeram]

@Kagthul-bleeding-hollow

Blind much? There are lots of threads about botters here and elsewhere.

To me, an outcry is a LARGE number of threads decrying an activity. It is not a few random threads here and there that get buried and ignored.

@Kagthul-bleeding-hollow

And yet it only worked for Alliance. Horde still had to suffer with them. Weird.

This is not true.
Many, many horde believed it was impossible. But a small number of them worked out their own method after finding the Alliance method did not work so well for them.

You can find a video on youtube about Horde AV premades. In the description the guy explains that the method they used in the video didn’t work as well as they hoped and went on to describe a method that worked better.

@Kagthul-bleeding-hollow

And AFKers aren’t cheating.

I clearly described some AFK situations that I do not consider cheating. I clarified what I meant by AFK cheating.

@Rhez-skeram

someone who joins a bg intending to not help their team, but simply to soak up benefits of other people’s efforts.

But you make a blanket statement that AFKers aren’t cheating. You give the impression that you condone all forms of AFKing including the kind that intend to leach off of others.

I also listed botters as cheaters. You avoided mentioning them.

@Kagthul-bleeding-hollow

Blizzard said it was cheating and tried to stop you from doing it.

Actually, Blizzard did not say it was cheating.

@Kaivax

We’ve prepared a collection of improvements that we’re going to make to Alterac Valley in WoW Classic over the next few days. Our goal is to make surgical adjustments that address some of the more prominent pain points and unfortunate behaviors, without cracking open the substance of the battleground.

As Soon As Possible

We’re working on a hotfix that will go live soon that will make honorless targets unlootable. This is intended to further discourage camping the starting caves as an efficient activity.

With Scheduled Weekly Maintenance

Several concurrent adjustments should positively affect the initial state of each instance of Alterac Valley:

• Alterac Valley will now allow parties of up to 5 players to queue together. When a party queues together, they will be placed into the same battleground.
• There will no longer be a number in the name of the battleground in the “Join Battle” screen.
• We’re fixing a setting that allowed the battleground to start with as few as 20 players on a team.

They were ambiguous about whether it was cheating, or was not cheating. It, along with several other things were listed as

• pain points
• unfortunate behaviors

Personally, I found this ambiguity disturbing.

I pugged for the first month when battlegrounds were released. I joined a discord group for 2-3 weeks. After the changes, even though my discord group switched over to the method they referred to as the Horde method of queuing, I went back to pugging due to the ambiguity of Blizzard’s statement.

It has been such an unpleasant experience, among other things having to listen to people justifying AFKing, that I now go days without queuing up.

I might attempt to find an actual premade for WSG. But my server, Skeram, has very few Alliance left on it. So it might not be a viable option.

Given that it’s nearly impossible to do anything in the open world on Skeram and given that the bg’s are currently a misery, I might also simply unsub. I do have a nice guild, and raiding is decent. But it’s not enough for me.

I always loved battlegrounds, but I only like them when playing with people who actually have plans and strategies. Pugging is only enjoyable in low level bgs on a fresh server. It’s where you meet the people who eventually become your team.

We never had that shot here.