Why is the PVP system in the game?

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Ok My last post was a little chopped And for the record I was using Google Translate.

I would just like to ask a simple question who is the PVP system for? Because it’s not for players enjoyment. Who does the PVP system help nobody. Nobody wants the system Bring in the currency system everyone would just benefit more from it.

Nobody needs or wants this mindless grind fast like it doesn’t indicate skill so it doesn’t work for the elitists literally it’s just a mindless grind. That’s way too brutal for even the somewhat hardcore players to reach.

And even the hardcore And I would like to ask blizzard Who does this pvp System benefit I mean I can say even I feel mentally and physically exhaust.

I would like to enjoy the PVP system but the thing is it’s not enjoyable there’s nothing enjoyable about it. It’s a constant I’m so tired I could pass out but I have to get that 10KM or honor. There are days I feel like I’m gonna have a nervous breakdown if I don’t hit that honor mark.

But I keep trucking at it it’s for the benefit of my Guild that I get that gear because well you know the better DPS I do the more that benefits me. And what benefits me benefits my Guild.

And yes you could make an argument that AQ40 does drop better stuff but well my Guild just isn’t at that point yet. And yes I am trying to get into pugs but like it or not I’m just not geared enough for it yet so.

My only other option is to PVP And the thing is every once in a great while I do have fun games but most the time it’s just a mind list to Rhine where I just want it to be over.

And I don’t understand I mean we’ve seen constant YouTube videos Multiple hardcore players have stated multiple times that this system isn’t good for the game players have stated it’s not good for the game so I want to ask.

Why is it still in the game It’s not like we don’t know what the better solution would be bring in the currency system bring it in and be done with it there’s no reason to wait till the pre patch.

Seriously what what is the point to this being in the game at this point why is it just a point to get people to play until they burn themselves out?

Or get so desperate till of park that the honestly really consider using a boosting service I mean I’m just saying I don’t wanna use it I don’t like them as a whole but on the same and it’s like. Speaking from somebody who’s rank 11 and literally playing from 7 to 8 hours A-day.

Just doing nothing but grinding honor the only other thing I do is I just do the occasion stockades run. Just so I have money for repairs. And yes I get into some pugs for raiding just so I can get some better gear to PVP better.

But I’m just saying at this point it’s like I feel so mentally stressed and I just wanna stop but I can’t it’s worse than an addiction or mouse because it’s like I get all this work and I feel like I stopped now.

I would regret it and I’m willing to bet I’m not the only person that feels that way. I know a lot of people tell me I should just stop posting about this and give up.

Well I’m not going to So I’m asking blizzard please please bring in the currency system the PVP system doesn’t help anyone. It’s not beneficial for players hardcore or casual.

And quite honestly all it encourages is toxicity and boosting I mean even your own tool tip says. Take everything with moderation even World of Warcraft.

Even you as a game don’t support this type of system so my question is why is it still there?

I’m pretty sure nobody would complain or a bit about the idea of the currency system coming in Maybe 1% of people would even care I would imagine.

I mean whenever it gets brought up in a YouTube video or even the honor system as a whole gets brought up it’s nothing but negative.

So again I ask I implore you in fact please bring in the currency system the sooner the better.

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Tldr; its the way it is because thats how it was

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The PVP system in the game is designed around the philosophy that vanilla had. Which was time=progress, not skill.

Anyone can poopsock their way to rank 14, and anyone can farm raids on a long enough timeline to get all the gear they want. That’s it. Its just another grind in the game. Vanilla rewards time invested over player skill. Want more gold? Farm longer. Want better gear? Farm longer.

The best part about vanilla wow is its lack of “daily” content, azeroth is what you make it. It allows a server community to be built upon the players themselves and how they interact with eachother, vs the item level/raid progress of a server.

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Sorry but no support it’s too late in the game for this to make any sense Naxx is practically here. It’s a grind, multiple people including myself have done it. It’s way easier than it was a year ago but still challenging. Go get some raid gear, it has better stats pve wise anyway.

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You can’t even get into MC pugs? PvP definitely isn’t the only option. There’s ZG, aq20, even Bwl. All are puggable and depending on your class you should be able to do at least one of those a week. Lots of decent crafted gear too.

The PvP honor system is brutal, that’s just the way it is. Although R8 can be pretty casual on most realms. 11+ don’t bother.

This toon hit 60 the day after AQ gates opened on my realm. Pretty geared now. Lots of guilds are hurting for players atm, maybe time for a new one?

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Currency is a “Participation Trophy”, which is fine for children, but at some point you should develop the emotional maturity where you can lose or not achieve something without requiring medication.

The top tiers are supposed to be difficult to obtain, it is NOT just another box to check off. This is where retail starting going off the rails, EPICS for everyone!, you may have to accept that not all things are within your grasp (or mine).

If everyone can have Rank 14, why does it have any rewards? So some emotionally immature man child can have another outfit for their virtual dolly?

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Is it a poor design? probably

For me it wasn’t about the insane grind, I knew what I was signing up for, but it was the end goal because the gear actually made you a power house early in the game and it was worth it.

Did it require skill to get? not so much

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I agree that it is a bad system. Hopefully they change it with the rumoured expansion. :slight_smile:

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Honestly, find a new guild…there are guilds that spend lots of time prepping for and speed clearing AQ40/BWL/etc.—you could spend half as much time as you play now and get quicker results gear-wise. PvP is the LONG route for gear.

If you are really that miserable—you need to just stop. It’s not worth it. They aren’t going to change this system at this point. You are just stressing yourself out for some purple pixels.

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I know the honor requirements have been dropping for the higher ranks. I’d imagine they’ll continue to drop especially when Naxx comes out. When TBC is announced I’m sure they’ll drop by an even greater margin and on TBC release it’ll probably be cake relative to what it is now to hit r13.

For a lot of people it’ll be pointless to hit high PvP ranks after TBC is released, but I personally plan on playing vanilla Classic for some time after that. Gonna put some miles on that Atiesh after I get it :slight_smile:

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Everybody recognizes that the PvP ranking system in vanilla kind of sucked. Nonetheless, we asked for a recreation of it for classic and all of it’s good and bad aspects, changing something that large would have been tantamount to making a new game.

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Sure it’s less honor but regardless of if it requires 1 honor or 1 million, you can’t just wake up one day and decide you’re breaking past R11. R12 to R14 is heavily politicized, there are limited slots, and everything is strictly controlled by a handful of people. Even if the honor requirements are less now than they were a year ago, you’re still required to do a lot of things to earn your bracket slot outside just reaching your honor cap.

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Depends on the realm. And you can’t really stop people from breaking brackets if they have enough time. There’s literally nothing you can do other than keep them out of the good pre-mades. And that can usually be compensated for with more play time.

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Usually they’ll just raise the caps and the person who broke brackets will have just screwed themselves over unless they can reach the new cap

Usually better for everyone to follow posted caps

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I wouldn’t say this depends on the realm. If you’re on a healthy server with a system in place you will encounter toxicity and politics while pushing brackets. People who spend all their day grinding honor every single day for months on end aren’t exactly… normal.

Bracket 2 (R13) caps are at 400k honor right now on Fairbanks-Horde, which is the same as my server and another server I have alts on. You can’t really hit 400k honor without premades, so if you’re a R12 bracket breaker (275k cap this week, which is manageable as a solo) you’re not moving towards R13 and R14 brackets.

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:man_shrugging:

I wouldn’t really know. I haven’t attempted to do so but I’d imagine you could hit close to that solo. And you’d really only have to hit that 1 week if you creeped up to like 80-90% or so into r12 and then went really hard that last week.

Rank 14 I’m sure is another story.

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It’s a bad system and always a bad system, but it’s an interesting one. The concept of the rank 14 grind is a huge part of what makes classic what it is.

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But there are consequences after the fact. I don’t really follow the PvP drama on my server, but there are certain people when they post up for enchants or groups or items or whatever it may be, people chime in “don’t deal with this person, they are a bracket breaker” and people generally won’t when they see that.

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There’s a reason why the vanilla honor system was entirely removed with TBC, and nothing like it was ever added to the game again. It doesn’t reward player skill or dedication, it rewards “who can /afk in Alterac Valley the longest”.

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It doesn’t reward skill but it does reward dedication. Nobody is afking in AV to rank 14. This only worked at the very start. You’re in WSG or AB all day or in premades to speed it up.

As for the OP he keeps posting new threads but isn’t reading responses. He mentioned Google Translate. What he needs to do is stop if it’s causing him so many problems. There is no reason for him to rank. Better gear is elsewhere now and it can be pugged.