Why is the Alliance so terrible at PvP?

Negative. Horde dominate this as well.

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Multiple reasons. Apathy, ignorance of bg objectives, refusing to back cap or play defense while waiting for a cap, etc. Yea, the bg favors the Horde, but Alliance beat themselves most of the time.

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Likely horde cause you can string in mob kills/quest progression while you wait. Alliance is just 4-7 minute queue however you are just waiting for it to end as quick as possible.

The majority of Alliance you’re facing in Korrak are alts equipped with outdated questing gear and heirlooms that stopped scaling 5 levels ago – so many characters with crap gear. Crap gear == less DPS anyway, but also dying faster which also == less DPS. In Korrak it’s not uncommon to see one Horde blow through 3+ Alliance before they can even really fight back properly because of the gear gap. When things are like that, well of course the Horde are going to win.

In addition to this, the 80 gorillion unskippable NPCs surrounding IBGY/TP/IBT slow things down like crazy compared to what Horde deals with going from SHB → SHGY → IWB, which barely has any NPCs at all.

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If you care about grinding Honor Levels for the rewards, go Alliance. If you use Random BGs to gear up through the 500 conquest bar, go Horde.

I could pull in 2 and half honor levels a day grinding BGs as Alliance and now that I am horde, between waiting for queues for half an hour, I win more and barely get an Honor level a day, if at all.

It’s different for everyone but for me, I win more and receive less thanks to Alliance %50 Azerite/Honor gain for needing more players to queue.

I spent nearly two months leveling my guys both horde and alliance in AV and the story on the Alliance was nearly always the same.

CC the GY commanders (then complain that no one protected the flag), skip IBT and try to sneak in the back door. If there was any resistance at TPT, skip that one too. They would CC the tower commander in the tower so any defense from a back-cap was severely hindered.

The ones were we won, the offense split off to hit the two towers and IBGY at the same time and the defense began at IWB.

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I want to add on the commanders issue, which I’ve thought about a bit recently. Horde is, as others have said, a giant mod of death when moving north. They have so many people around to kill the commanders. Alliance, as others have also said, have to split up to get IBT and TP around the same time, which isn’t long after they try to take IBGY. So using CC like hex or poly on the commander seems like a much better option if the CC isn’t broken. The commanders hit hard and take forever to die when being attacked by a small group. And yes, it feels far more difficult to make it to IBT in a small group because of all of the mobs Alliance has to run through, thus aggro-ing, to get there. Really, it can be a pretty big mess.

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And the cherry on top of this is that you have Horde sitting in IBT and TP using the tower commanders as defense. Alliance runs in → CC alliance → commander eats Alliance face → rinse and repeat. In the off chance too many come to attack at once, use a knock back ability to remove 80% of them from the equation.

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One thing I noticed while leveling my monk and druid is after taking IBGY, they would ignore the tower off to the side. Rather than 7 or so split off to go get the tower.

Then they would get to FWGY and rather than push into the horde base they just…sit on the graveyard. ā€œWe dont have the graveyard yet.ā€ Was the common excuse I would hear, but horde would assault the gy outside alliance base and before ot was capped IMMEDIATELY start pushing into the ally base.

It’s kind of ridiculous how easy it is for Horde to defend their towers.

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There’s a very high risk of the game turning into a turtle if a random horde runs by and backcaps IBGY, sending everybody dying at FWGY clear back to Dun Baldar. I’ve seen it happen many times. Horde are more vigilant about backcapping generally, and Alliance don’t dare touch SHGY for fear of turtling, which is why Horde can get away with not defending GYs as easily as they do.

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your mistake here is the assumption that the horde winning korraks revenge says anything about the ability of the alliance as pvpers.

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Still making stupid comments I see

What’s all this now?

We’re not. We just like taking the scenic route usually

Lol no it isn’t. I played hundreds of AVs especially back in Vanilla. Old school AV has always been Alliance favored. With better towers, better terrain for defense and some amazing choke points. The only Horde advantage in Korrak’s revenge is that the Horde can reach Korrak faster and figured out how to counter the Alliance strat of lets Zerg everything by playing defensively.

Ugh. It hurts to read this. ā€œThe map favors alliance, but Horde win 90% of the time because Horde is awesome and alliance is lame.ā€

How out of touch can you be?

Yes the map for Korrak’s does favor the Horde, but isn’t the reason for the Alliance getting trounced 95% of the time.

Yes I pulled that percentage out of my ear.

I am not the one who is out of touch. A map favoring one faction apposed to the other does not guarantee victory. But, facts are the Alliance base and defensive options are better. The Alliance just hasn’t changed up their strat of lets zerg the boss. Your talking out of spite.

Ugh, it hurts to see this lack of comprehension.

Alliance loses rushes. The Horde will always beat them in a rush.

What solution would you propose to deal with this situation…

Perhaps, NOT RUSHING?

Wow, whenever the Alliance actually plays the BG properly, they have an equal chance of winning! Shocking!

Unfortunately, 90% of alliance still try to rush, and lose. Simple as that.

The old analogy of beating your head on a brick wall comes to mind.