I’ve been using it in mythic+ and when hitting an intellect boost, it’s so nice to see five full health bars after 2 CS and a judgement, and keep them up there with HS and CS. Am I missing something about Awakening or Sanctified Wrath, which as far as I’m aware, serve to allow HS dumps for 45 seconds?
Avenging Crusader has been one of my go too talents for a while.
It had less competition in BFA but it’s still useful to go Leeroy mode and just pump heals and damage.
It might be my favorite talent ever, especially since MW Monks lost their ability to combat heal(bc Blizz announced they didn’t want combat style healing and took if from Monks while simultaneously giving it to Pallues harhar true story).
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Awakening is too good not to take it.
Honestly, the way they’re making everything, I don’t see how “combat healing” isn’t just gonna be a thing. Between Disc, Monk, Holy Paladin, and Enh/Resto Shaman- “damage healing” seems to be more in favor than old school “stand and cast” healing.
I just wish they’d figure out how to make “damage healing or cast healing” viable for most specs.
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I’m typically averaging a 40-50% uptime on my AW with many raid fights when I have Awakening on. So I typically don’t deviate from that talent too often.
Avenging Crusader does have a Mana Cost, is very frontloaded compared to AW
Awakening if you’re healing is a lot of wings uptime.
Sanctified gives wings more burst without having to save on CS charges (means less HS reduction).
You also lose the flat 30% Crit / Healing increase which makes AC a very burst heavy front loaded Cooldown that falls of pretty fast once you’re waiting on CD’s and if I wanted that much burst I’d take Holy Avenger instead to keep normal wings while also having greater control on who or how I heal as AC doesn’t prioritise low health targets.
You do know that monks currently just punch to heal, right?
It isn’t taboo it’s just that outside of very few specific situations there are better talents on that row.
TBF if I was Venth instead of Kyrian I would probably take it over awakening
They used to do it a "lot* better. And not just this joke of a leggy that forces you into an awkward play loop(Essence Font>etc>Essence Font>etc>)…
But wait, I remember now, it’s because Blizzard said(at the time) that melee/combat medic playstyle doesn’t have a place in this game while simultaneously slowly pushing Paladin into…a melee combat medic style.
Which I’m fine with, I actually stopped maining MW and came back to Holy Pal bc HP is a better MW than MW used to be.
Blizz makes no sense sometimes.
I got schooled on this very point the other day over in the monk forums.
It’s not just that legendary. Look at the level 50 talents. The last one on the right, Rising Mist, is basically mandatory now.
Once you have that your mistweaver rotation is all about spamming Rising Sun kick, and you need both Tiger Palm and Blackout kick to open up windows for that. In other words, they have a melee DPS rotation just like Holy Paladins - hit X to reset cooldown on B, which empowers C, that powers the heals. Or something like that.
And that is all before you get any legendary.
So yeah… I also thought fistweaving was gone. Turns out it’s not only back, it’s mandatory.
I left my monk behind in BFA when I went melee hunter DPS. I thought I’d not be looking back. Now it’s on the shortlist for a quick leveling sprint so I can have my choice of two healers to play.
Well… Icy Veins gives it a ‘?’ not an ‘X’ - which is usually when they’re saying “this might work for some paladins, but not the way we play paladin.”
This thread though, makes me realize my own talent in that row is wrong for how I am playing my paladin. Gonna switch from Sanctified Wrath to Awakening next time I log in.
When I’m not spamming WoG, it’s because I’m spamming LoD to cover a gap in the AoE healers - as in I’m always spamming one of the two - so Awakening looks like it will have massive returns for me.
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It’s a good switch. People also don’t take into account the HP generated via Hammer of Wrath and also it costs zero mana. Free HP on proc.
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