Genn being there was pretty dumb anyways. He’s a wolfman with no magical powers, who is the leader of a nation, being sent on a mission with another nation’s navy on an infiltration mission to an enemy city?
Should have just been Shaw, Mekkatorque, and Jaina, with Shaw and Jaina giving the demands, seeing as Jaina is literally known as the Alliance’s diplomat, and can teleport out if things get dicey.
It makes for a more equal dichotomy, honestly. They can’t have her be mad at Anduin, apparently, and if they make it Genn as her focus then the power levels become all over the place and if it came down to a fight, he’d get squished.
This is probably why they’ve shifted to Tyrande/Anduin being the narrative counterpoint to Sylvanas, because now that Sylvanas is much more powerful, any fight between her and Genn would last three seconds, and wouldn’t end how it did in Stormheim.
More less it is Jaina’s interference making the Horde fight up hill in a blizzard that stopped the Horde and Rastari from reaching Rastakhan in time to provide aid while he was fighting the Alliance raid team. Jaina is also more less responsible for saving the Alliance attack from completely becoming a suicide attack. Not to mention the whole Lord Admiral thing and Kul’tiras and Zandalar being implied to have long term animosity due to being competing Naval powers and House Ashvane trying to exploit the resources and people of Zandalar.
Genn at best on the Horde side of things comes off as just a commander of the Alliance murderhobos that tries to get Rastakhan to surrender.
My guess? The writer was more aware of Jaina in general and her story in the game. Whereas Genn typically isn’t doing all that much. Even when he pops up, he’s more of a supporting character compared to Jaina.
Does any of that count as magic abuse?
Is Genn a character in the latest novel? Does Talanji ever state outright that she doesn’t want revenge on Genn too?
I’m not sure this is an issue.
Huh, okay apparently two people need to hear this.
Just because you dislike one thing, that doesn’t automatically mean you like another thing. And just because you complain about something relevant to the topic, that doesn’t mean your opinion about things irrelevant to the topic can be surmised.
So whether you’re reading a book, or a comment on the internet, don’t assume someone likes something just because they’re not complaining about it in that moment.
Seems like Genn used invis and all talanji could see is Jaina hustling out of there. xD
This kinda bothers the heck out of me too. Jaina kinda trivializes all conflict and is basically a demigod at this point.
Khadgar did it too, but I think it was more tolerable then because he was doing it against random non-player faction threats, not as a counter for a faction’s strategy.
Though, then again, I do have friends who found him annoying because of it.
But he was a guardian’s apprentice and had a lot of things come for him for his magic use, though. He at least had to deal with a lot of risk-- including meheiv’s spirit.
Khadgar is strong, but we’re constantly helping him out. He doesn’t trivialize conflict. His biggest feats are what, killing some dudes after we protect him for a super long time? Destroying a small damn?
Yeah but Telanji didn’t see Genn in the throne room assault that killed her father but Jaina was wielding magic all over the place so she may have saw that and assumed Jaina was responsible.
Eh. The game never really goes out of its way to make Khadgar this ridiculously larger than life figure. He’s learned, wise, capable, and quirky sure, but they never really draw attention to his power when he helps out. His largest feats I can think of is blowing up the dam in WoD and casually slapping withered in Azsuna. He just kinda does it an we move on after a witty one-liner. At most, we buy him time or help him out with shenanigans like finding coins or stabilizing a spell. Magni’s the same way, he actually utilizes our help quite often.
Jaina on the other hand is the solution to every issue she’s involved in and the game makes sure you know it. Get the bombs for Jaina so she can teleport them into Horde warships. Find Jaina and witness how powerful she is in the Maw. Watch Jaina use the magic necklace that her mother couldn’t. Lend Jaina the Heart of Azeroth so she can bypass Azshara’s nullification magic. Witness Jaina stall the Horde’s mightiest champions! Yada yada yada. Sure Horde characters are used for similar things, but at least its different ones or its portrayed as a group effort. Jaina just does it all.
What you’re casually ignoring is the fact Jaina can’t do most of those thing without help, either from the player or other NPCs.
Jaina lead the assault and was commanding the entire operation, she slowed down the returning army so they wouldn’t get back in time to save Rastakhan, and she appeared in the cinematic giving dramatic frown giving away that she had a hand in his death as well.
Seconding everyone who mentioned the cinematic. Genn may have been the one who actually participated in Rastakhan’s death, but hearing Talanji’s scream and then immediately seeing Jaina appear on the top of the pyramid to glare at the Horde troops below ties her to that moment in terms of drama.
I don’t recall Genn or Gilneas coming up in conversation between the Horde leaders in Shadows Rising, so it’s possible that Talanji didn’t feel the need to mention him specifically because he wasn’t already a subject of conversation. Genn also doesn’t have a long history of being friendly or working with any of the Horde leaders; he does grudgingly work with Lor’themar in Nazjatar and the two develop some amount of respect for each other’s combat prowess, but that was brief and a recent affair, and they view each other more as worthy adversaries than friends. Talanji first brings up Jaina after Calia says that Derek’s ties to the Alliance might be helpful if she and Lilian accidentally get waylaid by Alliance ships while traveling, because that just serves as a reminder that several members of the Horde council have motive to pursue diplomatic relations with the Proodmoores. Thrall and Baine both have a long personal history of being friendly with Jaina. Lor’themar seems to favor non-violent resolution of his grievances with her after Taran Zhu’s speech on the Isle of Thunder and was civil with her and willing to work with her during both their time in Nazjatar and the confrontation with Sylvanas outside Orgrimmar. Then there’s Calia Menethil, who is a social peer of Jaina, has known her since they were both children, was Jaina’s prospective sister-in-law, and is now developing a rather close personal relationship with Jaina’s older brother. Also, Lilian is protective of Derek because she considers him part of the Forsaken and because she feels guilty about her part in his being raised and tortured, and she might disapprove of violent action against the Proudmoores for his sake if she thinks it can be avoided. Talanji is both one of the youngest members of the Horde leadership and one of the most junior in terms of time spent with the Horde, and the soft spots that several of the more senior leaders have towards the Proodmoores threaten to prevent her from achieving satisfaction for Jaina’s actions. She’s vocal about demanding justice for Rastakhan and Zandalar because she needs to get some of the other leaders to back her up if she wants to overcome Thrall and company’s impulse to be lenient towards Jaina. She is absolutely sincere in her declarations, but she’s making them loudly at council meetings rather than quietly in writing as an act of political theater.
No. But then this is clearly a troll. And a lame one at that.
I mean, I’m reading down. Everyone is staying on topic and posting real points. And then this post comes along.