Why is strangulate and control undead a talent?

why are they not baseline like they always have been. forcing us to talent out of a better ability for a affix is really bad game design

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Strangulation isn’t even able go be used in pve, pvp talent only.
Sadly, dk talents are just garbage.

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i flat out refuse to change a talent build for one week for m+

Why? If it helps you succeed, why not change talents?

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should be baseline i had it in SL

Sadly, that isn’t an option at this point. So you either talent into it to help out during the affix, or gimp your team and let them do the mechanic for you.

I agree, control undead, (among other abilities) should be baseline.

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Dh has it. It’s AoE, 8 seconds, two charges, low cooldown that gets reduced even more passively.

the affix can suck it not my problem blizzard thought making baseline abiltys into talents… im on other toons rest of the week. as a warrior main i dont even think of this affix its legit not my problem as i have no tools to combat it.

You can literally stun them, or do you not take storm bolt on a warrior for that affix as well? Depending on the group make up, may not be needed.

I agree, our talents suck, but not getting a certain talent that would help your team is just lazy.

UHDK it is an issue due to the way control undead and your base pet works. But for frost there isn’t a sing reason you shouldnt take it. The controlled beings will debuff your enemy while controlled instead of your group.

storm bolt is part of my m+ build. asphyxiate isnt as i choose a situational stun over 2 dnd death grip and death advance. ill take the 2 charges any day of the week. ashyxiate was baseline in systemlands plus control undead. this week is almost over i just ignore it and let other people deal with it

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If you are playing frost, there is literally no point not to take control undead for this week. You are just gimping your team if you don’t.

They’re already gimping their team by playing frost anyway
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pass. again this week can suck it. i have my vaults filled im not bothering to learn it or deal with it. i play blood mainly.

You’re not playing Unholy, and you’re mad enough to refuse to swap a talent around for Control Undead?

Like, yeah, I agree, it should be baseline, but holy hell this is a mountain being made of a molehill.

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Most classes have to talent into their cc. Hibernate for druids, sleepwalk for evokers, paralyze for monks, the paladin one… Etc

Quit being a baby. DK has actual problems to contend for without this pointless noise.

So Banish & Subjugate Demon should be talents?

Banish IS a talent, Row 4 far right on the warlock class tree.

Subjugate demon is a massive dps loss especially for demonology. This can be compared to the dps loss of control undead for unholy, and that is its own problem that blizzard has to contend with, but is IMO unrelated to DKs options in dealing with the affix.

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