Why is mistweaver unpopular in m+?

Hi, I am recently interested in monk class. May I ask the reason why MW is so unpopular in m+ ? Will it be good in s2 with all the buffs ?
Thank you for your reading.

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MW healing and damage is actually good but I think unfortunately, the class is handicapped by having neither lust nor bres (or some other major utility to make up for it). This limits the comps you can take because you are forced to look for these within the rest of the party.

This is also why I think buffs have not had a real effect on their desirability. The problem was never really their heals in the first place.

It’s also why I don’t think season two will change things all that much.

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Monks in general just aren’t popular no matter what it seems.

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MW sadly brings subpar utility compared to the more popular healer specs for m+. No lust or bres hurts and limits the comps by quite a lot aswell. If you play in pugs , like the vast majority of people, its a struggle to get invited.

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Yes, exactly! This has been my experience trying to play a MW as well. (Not only this expansion either.) After a certain key lvl (17ish I want to say) it becomes much harder than it would be on other classes to get invited or find qualified others who want to join your key even. You end up wasting alot of time just standing around trying to find groups.

As a Tank, I think it might be perception and utility, MW is hard to play well, so you get a lot of bad ones.

The healing profile of mw doesn’t suit m+. There have been many improvements since dragon flight but it is still not there. There is a change coming in 10.1 that, to me seems like it will do the trick.

Fistweaving’s healing will now split amoung damaged allies. I think will be a huge buff in m+.

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i strongly disagree on that. Playing both Fistweaving and castweaving , i can say that monk in every build has great healing profile for m+ .

We just dont have brez or lust in a meta where it favors having a BL healer since the traditionally BL dps classes are not strong atm

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But why is hpriest who has neither brez nor lust, almost 0 cc also more popular in top end keys than monk ?

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Mostly bc people just parrot what some random streamer said without actually looking into it or experiencing it themselves. Mistweaver, both the caster and the fistweaving build are doing well. They are able to push higher keys and raid. I hear fistweaving is good in pvp.

Don’t worry about what others think about the spec. Try it and if you like it that’s awesome! Have fun with it.

Edit: I have no issues finding groups and I also bring a brez, the engineering bracers that is, but most of the time it’s enough.

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They have Power Infusion as well as Guardian Spirit which functions as a pseudo-battle res. (Cocoon is unfortunately not comparable.)

They also seem to benefit from goodwill gained as the “OG” healer from way back when the game started whereas monks have the opposite from their association with pandas which many players don’t like because they don’t fit into some peoples’ idea of high fantasy.

Forgot to mention that they also have mind soothe as well as a magic dispell.

Your other points seem valid but the above seems untrue to me.

The main reason for our bad m+ representation is mostly caused by the class being impopular imo.

One of the reason of this impopularity is misinformation.

First, Youtubers/streamers tend to display the m+ completion stats from raider io and monk is low because of low representation. Usually, the good ones will say that monk is higher on the tier list than what is represented though. But I know a lot of people just skip ahead in those videos, checm the tier list and don’t even listen to the comments :man_shrugging:

Then we’ve got lots of nay sayers in here. Like people saying fist is trash 2 buttons spec or cast-weaver is garbage (you can spot the later because they call it ‘range mw’ which isn’t a spec that exists :man_shrugging:)

Mistweaver is a ton of fun. I’ve played all healers and to me they are one of the healers with the most depth within the spec. Finding groups as a healer isn’t a pb these days. Might be easier on some other heal with brez/lust for sure, but we’re still better off than most dps specs :man_shrugging: people I run with have mostly changed their idea of what a mw can do. But most of them tell me they haven’t seen a lot of them for the entire season :man_shrugging:

This has just been my own experience maining MW since Legion. (I played a different healer main before that and also currently play other healers.) Holy priest has more of a “positive vibe” around it and people are willing to give it the benefit of the doubt, whereas MW’s receive a more negative reception straight off the bat.

As for the Panda thing, I have literally had people tell me it. (That they didn’t like the monk theme, the animations were goofy, pandas are lame etc. )

I cannot say whether this has been anyone else’s experience.

One thing is for sure though. MW’s are nowhere near as bad as community opinion would suggest. As the poster above said, I think it’s mostly misinformation. People just take what a streamer says and run with it without understanding -why- it shows F Tier or whatever.

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Valid points but the issue still remains.

Also i might disagree but just slightly ( a tiny bit) that MW is a decent pick for grps. No utility the monk beings cannot be covered ,on the contrary it limits the comps by a lot.

Also atm ive played in this meta ,evoker/druid/shaman and i can say hands down the healing in those is effortless compared to MW. Although i have a soft spot for MW and i love the gameplay,cannot think maining something else and im conflicted because i want to be invited,i can see the other side which is indeed a bit greener.

Mw is in a great spot by itself. If we compare it to the other meta healers ,sadly its not that great. Good but not great. Usually in a good MW you bring the player and not the class.

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What utility are you missing aside form brez/lust?

To be fair, I don’t care much about meta and prefer to just play what I enjoy.

I played disc all of shadowlands as a main and still did well and had plenty of invite despite everyone telling me to go holy :man_shrugging:

I feel its the same for mw, except mw is in a far better place than disc was at the time.

Sorry, off-topic a bit. Do healers sim ? If yes then you sim on 1 target or multiple target.

At the start of the expansion mw were like really REALLY bad. Like no kidding, they were absurdly bad, very low healing and dungeons were ridiculously unbalanced in terms of dmg.

So community has kinda like a bad perception of them, but right now they are really good.

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Meta tends to be driven by damage and healing and utility a distant third.

We just spent all of SL with first ashen hollow paladins the meta then holy priests the meta and neither had a battle rez or Lust.

It’s because hpriest has burst heals where mw doesn’t. Hpriest has a much better healing profile for m+.