Magic, dude.
It doesn’t matter how lopsided the power balance is, the leaders holding the idiot ball ensures that the Alliance can never use the huge advantages it is, both in having several demi-god level characters in terms of strength as well as a spaceship capable of performing orbital strike because…reasons?
Only Medivh is dead. Azshara survives both TEP and Nyalotha.
Also I’m pretty sure that Jaina is stronger than Khadgar, but Khadgar is far more skilled/knowledgable due to being Medivh’s apprentice as well as him being the owner of Karazhan.
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You must be a master at hopscotch with how quickly you jump to conclusions.
Then im unsure what we’re discussing. Im not objecting to the potential of every mage, I actually agree, mages (and casters in general) don’t have a power ceiling… Im saying whether its a pebble or a planet to unnaturally manipulate anything comes at the cost of mana which is a replenishable albeit finite source for every single practitioner of magic.
Im pretty much looking at it solely from a feats perspective and the fact that it makes her an adversary with no equal.
Yeah im under the impression he’ll eventually mantle the Loa of Kings. Kinda feels like they abandoned that storyline though.
Unfortunately Go’el the World Shaman is dead. Now we just have Thrall the Pitfighter unfortunately.
So is your position that casters in Warcraft utilize an infinite source of mana? That casting Scorch is equivalent to casting Pyroblast? That tossing a Curse is equivalent to casting Cataclysm? Im not sure how someone even begins to believe this to state it, the game and the lore disagrees with you.
Everything to do with magic in Warcraft comes at the cost of mana.
I’ve addressed this at least 4 times. Scroll up.
Psh.
This is Warcraft.
Nothing stays dead. The newest expansion is proof of that.
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You know that Blizzard changes the relative power of their characters of all time. This is the same Jaina that was sent to prison immediately upon arriving in Lordaeron.
I’m looking forward to seeing Sylvanas locked up in the Goldshire jail.
To be fair, bad dreams is like kryptonite to druids. Like whatever their power level is in regards to facing things in the waking world, the moment a villain with the power of bad dreams shows up, the druid is toast without outside intervention.
And Lor’themar STILL hasn’t dropped his “Regent Lord” title!
“Regent for whom, Lor’themar? Who are you acting as regent for?”
“Why, the prince we decapitated of course.”
Why has no ambitious blood elf pointed out to him that, traditionally, executing the guy who appointed you as his regent means you’re no longer in a regency? Technically, if Kael’thas showed up again, he could legitimately claim that Lor’themar is STILL ruling under his authority, which means Kael’thas is STILL the ruler of Quel’thalas.
You know, I really liked the Jaina plot in BFA. At least up until near the end, when Jaina’s mother saw the visions of the past and changed her mind about who was at fault in Daelin’s death. Daelin was basically 100% correct in his assessment of the threat posed by a new Horde and that it needed to be stopped. And Jaina had her troops to stand down when the Horde attacked the Kul Tiras forces (her HOMELAND’S army), advised the Horde on how to get naval power from goblins, and let her father get killed.
Her plot was initially great in BFA because she was finally called to account for that, and she recognized she needed to atone for it. They really undermined that by squeezing in this epiphany for Jaina’s mother that Daelin was in the wrong. Of course, the cinematic is still really well done, which tends to make people overlook these kinds of things.
I’d keep 90% of the cinematic intact, but instead of trying to make Daelin look bad, insert the memory of Jaina advising the Horde and having her troops stand down when they attacked Kul’Tiran soldiers. Remind the mother that when she says Jaina needs to “forgive herself” she actually DOES need forgiveness, because she actually did betray her people and her father, instead of implying that actually her father was in the wrong, and Jaina only needs to “forgive herself” for not handling her father better. (Who knows though, maybe those additional details will get retconned out when WC III Reforged gets around to re-releasing the Jaina / Daelin story).
But yeah, Jaina’s been kind of retroactively restored to a position of “never did any wrong.” I mean, maybe some viewers will still agree she did something wrong, but among the characters of the world, Jaina’s basically infallible, everyone knows she’s always doing the right thing, she’s always wise, and she’s unbelievably powerful to boot.
Unless its stated that the Jaina in the BoL has been depowered it can be reasonably assumed she’s capable of those feats in any situation at any given moment.
And both the Blood Elves and the Horde would be better for it. We need to make this happen, I propose a grass roots campaign as annoying as the Alliance High Elves threads.
Anduin stared at the blood on his hands.
“This blood was never my own, but now i have brought carnage and death to the land. What hero am I?”
He’d never thought of himself as a villain. That was the role he’d chosen, to make things right.
He couldn’t be sure if it was the pain in his hand or the knowledge of the things he’d have to do to bring them to justice, but he realized he wasn’t afraid.
“No,” he said. “No, this has got to be right.”
He stood and walked toward the tower.
He came up over the lip of the roof, and he could see the smoke rising. It hung over the city of Stormwind, still a smudge against the sky. The wind blew it into a small patch at the top of the hill, where the city’s light still cast its soft glow.
There was a small crater at the top, and there were dark cracks in the soil, where
A man was killed in front of my eyes. And then another… And another… And then another. All of them, all dead, all of them alone, all of them… They don’t even know how they died… They don’t even care. They’re gone.And I think about the woman that I killed. I think about her death, and what it would have meant. And I can’t believe it. I don’t know what she’d have done if I’d killed her. And it breaks my heart.
All this time I’ve been here, in this place, I’ve felt nothing but… I don’t even know. Like I’m alive and it’s all a dream. Like I don’t even exist.
This is my last fight. I can’t afford telling them I lost" Anduin thought, as he looked into the ring…
That above is legit written by a robot ( Try it here lol: http s://talktotransformer.com/ ) that someone else showed me and it still got me more hyped up than anything else in the story for A.I.duin than any other Anduin lol. That could be a sick story! PTSD, Character development, guilt over not taking a more proactive approach, guilt haunting his mind, darker turns to do “what’s needed.” trauma, etc!. If we can’t have a evil Anduin, lets at least have a Tramautized leader one! It… works!
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you don’t matter.
you have no place in the future. they just told you that, dude, LMFAO, pay attention and read you bleeding-heart moron, acting like the sewer through which all retarded faction contradictions flow.
you got your end with Sylvanas, g - that last quest where she said thx for helping, LOL, that’s it; they revealed that’s the end of the loyalist plotline and it isn’t something they’re going to expand on further, was just something for them to do to give us choice for once.
you were so delusional as to actually think this would carry on?
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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You neglected to quote the rest of my argument which directly backs up my statement. They sent her to Tol Dagor to prison. If Jaina was really that OP she could have reduced the island to a smoking crater in the sea.
I neglected it because there was no point in replying to it.
It was her homeland, its obviously not something she would even consider so its a nonsense hypothetical.
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Your assumption is a nonsensical hypothetical scenario hoolio
See the thing is though is that Jaina has been in the story just about every expac. Every expac she is being given room to grow in power and as a character where as you have people like Sylvanas who get stomped on by one boy with a rifle and then kind of does nothing until Legion and the next expac she’s insanely powerful.
jaina being given room to grow?
no.
jaina is just a favourite plotpoint used by infatuated writers to express a caricature and archetype. have you not seen how every line of dialogue she delivers comes straight out of a soap opera character or a generic Sue written in a comic book?
she hasn’t grown, lolz. she just gets bipolar all the time or something. she gets real mad, angry, wants to wage war, BAM BAM BAM, and then something bad happens and it’s OH NO, NO, NO, WAR IS AWFUL, PLEASE STOP! and rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat.
no, her, and Sylvanas, are equally terrible characters for different reasons.
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Haha the quality of the writing overall is another discussion entirely but I agree. This is why I want a WC4, atm its like they’re making s— up as they go along and just dropping plots and characters in to make it work.
Talanji came out of nowhere, why would I invest in her?
The jailor came out of nowhere, why would I feel invested in him/her?
Sylvanas gets a power-up due to some new character that has neither been explained or so much as mentioned at any point in the story, why wouldn’t players think that’s ridiculous?
This is in contrast to WC1-3 which gave us established backstories for every major character involved and allowed us to observe them every step of the way. I feel like this is why Arthas is so revered, you got to see his ENTIRE backstory, invest in him as a character, and witness his dramatic turn from protagonist to antagonist. I was all the way invested in Arthas for that reason.
I feel like in general they need to go back to the drawing board in terms of how they present the story.
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Shes a Mary Sue. Theres no explanation of how she got this powerful.
na, it’s not back to the drawing board, dude. it really isn’t like that.
there’s a lot of oldheads in blizzard’s wow team, but a lot of these people either don’t remember old lore when writing new lore or find it an obstacle, as opposed to an organ apart of their greater body of writing.
they already went to the drawing board, you see. they just came to the conclusion that lol we’re bored and we wanna write retarded anime fantasy because ---- it, why not?
now we have this: some of the worst “high” fantasy/lo-scifi writing i’ve ever seen in my entire life.
I guess the arguement at your percieved limitations people should have, when there are only limitations in your mind. Anyone can get better at anything they do. You seem to have limited what Jaina is capable of in your own mind.
Didn’t Ion explain Sylvanas sudden power during the presentation of Shadowlands on BlizzCon?
In short: each consumed soul during this war (including the tree incident) strengthen the Banshee Queen.
I know, but power levels in fantasy stories tend to vary quite a bit to suit the needs of the story.
So I think that one needs to take the story logic into account, at least within certain bounds.
Maybe in certain cases, there might be a power display that emerges completely out of nowhere that would need a special explanation, but that’s not the case with Jaina. We know that Jaina is one of the most powerful mages in the world, and she is particular motivated in that moment because of her recent… ummm… visit to Theramore.
But the story doesn’t allow Jaina to be invincible. During the battle of Dazar’alor, we see that she does have her limits.
This confrontation was handled well because it felt like an impressive feat for the Horde forces, but Jaina also showed her character during the initial invasion and while commanding the rearguard.
That’s ideally how it should work. The power levels should serve the story. Which I think they basically did in this case.
The rest of the war campaign didn’t work as well, imho, but I thought that the Dazar’alor confrontation was a creative idea, and a good way for Jaina’s tension with the Horde since Theramore to be resolved.
The cinematic that you’re describing doesn’t imply that at all.
The point of that cinematic isn’t that Jaina never made any mistakes, but rather that she should forgive herself for having made them.
Why would she need to forgive herself if she had done nothing wrong?
It also implies that there may have been no perfect solution at Theramore in particular. But that’s a more subtle point. Daelin may have been somewhat correct in the sense of the Horde still potentially being a threat, but that doesn’t mean that he was right to pre-emptively wipe them out.
Jaina was in a terrible position at that moment, and her mother was simply wise enough to understand that.
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