Why is it difficult for most people to learn raids above LFR?

75% of our LFR consists of Brazilian servers - tbh, I would like to see them have their own server group. Like, Quel’Thalas, Ragnaros and such. Group them together and put them on their own.

Regardless, it’s because people can’t communicate and want to just get in, get gear and get out.

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some people like to visit the beach. Must they now be lifeguards ?

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usually takes me longer to wait on an lfr queue than to join a normal and get going is what i find funny about this statement.

I do feel bad for the folks who can’t commit to set times and have to rely on LFR. In MoP LFR was an alright experience but recently every fight is reduced to a tank and spank and if its not people complain… You really miss out on huge chunks of the fights/encounters.

I feel lfr wouldnt be as bad as it is if more people put some effort into it… its sad the amount of people who afk or set there charters on AA and just afk the sht… just takes more time over all same bs happens in the warfronts

Any time you over-reward for under-achieving, this is the result. This has been proven time and time again throughout nearly every facet of life.

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Yeah, it’s pretty disheartening seeing a bunch of people try to die as fast as possible on purpose, why even sign up? I used to hop in as Resto for some free runes but it was just so sad. Heart couldn’t take it.

It has nothing to do with learning the raids and everything to do with having to meet the arbitrary requirements of pugs.

Casuals aren’t usually in a guild that’s running raids, and they’re not usually quick enough on the draw to get picked up by pug leaders before requirements start to creep up. So getting into raids in the first place is a frustrating experience for them, if they care enough to try.


As far as the title goes, I had multiple paragraphs typed out, but ultimately it comes down to mindset. The more casual a player is, the more likely they’re in the game solely to relax and have some fun. Whereas organized raiding (and I guess M+) is something you’re running to overcome a challenge for higher quality loot.

If someone normally is only looking at LFR and World Content, they probably aren’t looking to overcome a challenge. They’re gonna be the first ones to get annoyed with wipes if they join a progression group. At least until they figure things out and decide if it’s for them or not.

They have to shift from just winging it with LFR to actually learning the fights for Normal+.

I think you took the wrong message from watching Breaking Bad.

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free loot being hard carried by the one competent dps it takes to kill a boss? How is that hard to understand. Humans WILL BE selfish if they CAN BE and have no/low repercussions for being so.

I am shy as well so I keep my mic muted for 99% of raids. We have a healer that has never spoken to anyone in the guild. Raid lead doesnt care as long as we can hear. Im not saying it to sound like a jerk, but I thought maybe it might offer a little confidence if you ever changed your mind. If you never ever want to speak and you want to maybe try to join a guild raid team you could just explain it to the raid leader and I am sure they would understand, especially if you are a DPS. I hope that helps a little knowing you arent alone in that department.

OP: I dont know if someone mentioned it, but some people have crappy internet/computers which can be a big issue with raiding.

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Raids aren’t difficult so pve people can just stop thinking they are so great right now. Raids are easy and can mastered quickly. People just don’t want to take 5 minutes to learn them because they are sooooo BORING. Lets be honest. Raids and pve are boring. Standing there for 15 minutes fighting one thing just for a chance for a drop. Pshhh boring boring boring

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Exactly the point. Entitlement is the biggest problem.

You seem to idolize d-bags so not surprising you’d come to this conclusion.

Being selfish isn’t worth the karma in the end. Not saying you’re wrong about these people in particular but I wouldn’t generalize all humans based on a minority.

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Pretty much what I was gonna say.
If you’re getting yelled at in every “try hard” raid group, the problem is probably between your own keyboard and chair, rather than the “tryhard” raid environment as a whole. OMEGA

We’re talking about a video game, so it’s not a real problem.

Normally, you’re right, but Battle of Dazar’alar kind of threw this mindset into question for those doing Heroic or higher. Mekkatorque was infinitely easier if everyone present had a mic. We didn’t kick people, but some groups we were familiar with would outright drop people without mics for that fight, and I don’t blame them.

Realistically though? I kinda get it with pugs. If you’re super shy, you’re not likely to want to talk to randos you’ll never see after the night is over. But in the context of an organized raid that you run with weekly, wouldn’t that be the exact context you’d want to come out of your shell in?

The mindset and what it takes to arrive there is a problem, regardless of where it rears its head.

Imagine me saying “I’m being a jerk online, so it’s not a real problem.” I bet you’d take issue with that.

I raided all of Draneor not talking in voice coms unless i had to. Took me forever to open up but still raiding with the same group years later =) We have 2 players who dont have mics and we still got AOTC

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No. I wouldn’t. I think that’s more amusing and funny than a problem.