Apparently you don’t know the difference between a statement and a question. He claimed the he knew for a fact that every time someone was kicked, whether he was involved or not, the kick was deserved. I asked him how he knew that.
That is not the same as saying they were not deserved.
Funny cause that’s not what I read in the black and white above. What I read was that there’s usually a reason for it if a kick is called. That much is true. If you believe otherwise you bear the burden of proof to demonstrate how it’s wrong. THAT is what I read, a generalization leaving room for the exceptions to the rule. You took offense to that and can’t comprehend a generality. How it’s looking from here.
Which by your own logic you had no grounds to be demanding since you don’t have the same stats you were demanding from him.
Any normal person reading your post is going to take it as you trying to say dude was wrong and pulling the whole “well you don’t know that for sure” card when you don’t know either. So pot meet kettle.
No, that’s not how it works. In any court the prosecutor (if it’s criminal) or the plaintiff (if it’s civil) has the burden of proof. If someone makes a claim that the kick is always deserved, then they are the ones with the burden of proof.
At least that’s the way it works in my country. Maybe it’s different in yours.
Gotta leave that sense of entitlement at the door. Claiming you want to learn at the expense of four random people’s time isn’t an excuse to call others toxic, its just toxic all on its own. You are not entitled to their time or effort and were democratically removed. Instead of learning from this experience that you were underprepared, you have instead come to the forums to whine that everyone should have to waste their time in repetitive, regurgitated content to suit you and your learning plan.
Got booted via vote pursuing a selfish playstyle that actively requires others to pay in time and effort to suit you and only you? System is functioning as intended.
People always say barely any new players joining the game yet WoWs numbers are all around rising. I think outside of maybe Final Fantasy WoW probably brings the most “new players” to the genre as a whole. I have 3 guildies from GW2, 2 from ESO and 1 from Wizard 101 lol all playing
WoW for their first time.
Refusing to do The Oculus was sane and logical behavior.
Hopefully we’ll get more follower dungeons for older content too, so players can learn more easily and stress free.
As someone who tanked The Oculus back in the day… nah’. Folks hated that dungeon far more than what was sane or logical. The dungeon is genuinely fine. Interesting in some aspects and if they remade it today they would have to remake the entire thing but would use things like Skyriding between the platforms instead.
In essence… they have remade The Oculus twice already and you didn’t realize it, because both Nokhund and The Dawnbreaker is effectively (in terms of how the dungeons play out) the same as The Oculus. So… yeah no. Folks hated the place far too much to make that a sane or rational thing to hate.
Yes it does. The “casual” players screamed loud enough on the forum about wanting more penalties for leavers so Blizzard gave them what they wanted.
100% agree with you. I was healing a dungeon where the tank pulled a fair amount of trash groups at once, but was not dragging everything all the way up to the boss, and someone kept raging about it. The pace was fine; it was a leveling dungeon. People need to chill, finishing a dungeon 2 minutes later isn’t the end of the work. It’s a game 
You gotta kill the first boss to avoid deserter
If this is how it all works then fine. But if that’s the case, people shouldn’t be saying that LFR was provided so lower level players could experience raids and see how the story ends. How does it give you this experience if you have been kicked?
It’s one or the other.
It would be more ideal to learn in follower dungeons than a live group who don’t want to be in a dungeon longer then intended.
The deserter is so you don’t wind up with the same group.
Your other option is to find friends to help you learn if you intend to do a live group, just make sure you have at least 3 with you.
Here is something to help you learn better.
What does LFR have to do with not using the tools available to learn your class before entering group content? What does lfr have to do with anything in this conversation?
People who join lfr “for the story” and know nothing about their class and get democratically kicked for not participating in the fight means the system is still functioning as intended. This is where you claim kicking is some huge problem in lfr or some such nonsense.
Well that’s not what I was told in a different note. When I said there was no way for casual players to follow the story as it goes through raids, someone said that was the purpose of LFR.
Also this has nothing to do with learning your class. You have to do that to do the quests.
So weird that you came here to have a completely off topic conversation based on incorrect third party information, but you do you boo.
I’m just curious, was your wild shoot from the hip insult an attempt at deductive reasoning or inductive reasoning? It would seem to be logic free.
I was told in a previous topic that LFR was the answer to casual players who don’t do raids finally able to see the end of the story. My answer to them was that those people get kicked and low and behold we have someone complaining about getting kicked from LFG.
And your only response? Mindless insults.
Play the victim card if it makes you feel better, but nothing i said was insulting. You took it that way because you wanted to. “So weird” is not an insult, its how i view your comments.
You came here to talk about lfr when lfg was under discussion. They are not the same thing.
You came here to talk about completing the story in a raid, then said “if thats the way it is” to a comment discussing dungeon group play. Logic didn’t seem to enter into it for you, but apparently I’m illogical. Wild take.
You came here armed with information gleaned from randos on another post. Quite literally incorrect third party information about something for which blizz has already released correct info. Totally logical. The truth is there is a solo story mode for raids and you have the wrong info. Accessibility has never been better for all styles of player. Stop inventing issues and take a moment to educate yourself with info provided by the source, not the forums.
“They” don’t get kicked unless “they” are full afk or dying immediately. Since there is no way to differentiate between new or inexperienced players from leeches, the reason for the kick is always the same, non-participation. There is no epidemic of new players getting kicked from lfr. This is a common lie told by people playing the victim on the forums. Even if you do get kicked you get a nice 30min break to figure out what you did wrong. It is no one else’s responsibility to do this for you. It is no one else’s responsibility to teach you either.
Stop the victim thing though, it doesn’t work when no one has attacked you.
True that. If they wanted to fix the issue, only repeat kickees would get deserter, while repeat kickers would not impose deserter even if the person they kick has a history.
That’s an illusion with no basis in reality. While debating, a person should be able to put forward their arguments without ever pointing them at a person (literally what “ad hominem” means).
Arguments either stand on their own or they don’t. The only time anyone needs to start saying “You came here …” is when they are focused more on the person than they are on the debate.