Like title says. Makes no sense. I Q’d for timewalking dungeon in LFG and got kicked by a 4 man group because Im still learning how to play protection warrior?
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It makes perfect sense. Toxic people who went into groups just to harass were able to immediately queue again after being kicked to harass other groups or even the same group. We also had healers and tanks holding groups hostage, refusing to move from the doorway until they were kicked, because they didn’t like the dungeon they got.
The system cannot discern why someone was kicked or left. Everyone is treated equally— doesn’t matter if the reason was something we think is stupid or that’s legitimate. We all get deserter if kicked or if we leave.
In your case, they decided they wanted to be impatient and snooty, so they replaced you with a tank that was probably worse than you, but they hoped was better than you. Hopefully they got the worse tank and karma will have been served.
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false, leaving doesn’t give deserter necessarily
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Man this game is full of toxic people even at early levels. No wonder there is barely any new players joining the game. Toxic players + blizzard implementing fixes that punishing others thats not part of the problem.
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There’s solo content you can do to learn your buttanz, also sites etc to look at where people give helpful advice.
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Yes there is. But not everyone wants to read books before jumping into the game. There is also a thing called not being toxic. If you’re being toxic and impatient at low levels like level 30, you need to go touch some grass. It makes no sense to be that toxic at low level where people are most likely new to the game or learning their class still.
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Just by how the post seem to be going, I will bet 50k that we weren’t getting the whole story and the kick was justified.
I would generally advise against being toxic as toxic individuals tend to encounter the most toxicity. If your response to being removed from a group is to rant and blame everyone else, maybe they were right.
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I’m sorry you experienced that man. People can be dumb when it comes to stuff like that
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It’s why we can’t have nice things, too many trash players that blizzard refuses to punish harshly for their ignorant antics.
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Yes it does, leaving at all before the content is finished gives deserter now, doesn’t matter if you kill a boss or not, doesnt matter if you’ve wiped 30 times to same boss. If its Q’d content and you leave before completion you get 30 min deserter. Welcome to the new system to fix the trinket farmer problem.
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You don’t need to read any books to learn how to play the game. All you do is level a character, and learn to play the game. If you want to learn to tank, you start tanking open world content, use tanking talents and do a quest, then jump into scenarios like awaken the machine or follower dungeons if you have hit max level.
Jumping past these steps, you gotta know how to play at that point and you have had to have learned those things on your own. If you didn’t do it in-game through a logical progression system, then that’s on your head.
Quests. You learn the game via questing.
You deciding to jump into activities you aren’t ready for and expecting other players to hold your hand when they didn’t sign up for that … you are acting like you are entitled to stuff you ain’t entitled to.
But in regards to the question at hand:
Because you were democratically voted out of a group for whatever possible reason. That means that the system saw you as someone who got kicked out of a group, which historically is done for a reason indicating that the player is undesirable (usually because of their attitude and behaviour towards other players), so you were given a debuff for having left a dungeon prematurely - whether by being kicked or other means doesn’t matter.
And the reason for this implementation back in Wrath of the Lich King is that there were dungeons some folks didn’t like. So some tanks would refuse to do anything and wait to get vote kicked instead of tanking the dungeon, as getting votekicked didn’t have the debuff back then so they could queue for their next dungeon without ramifications of not having done the previous dungeon. So the dungeon deserter debuff began to be applied to vote kicked players as well.
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Did they fix it? Pretty sure it still didn’t if you wiped. Or if someone leaves before you
I am literally leveling via dungeons. It doesn’t matter if im learning a character via questing or dungeons. The point is, why is it justifiable to kick someone and give them a deserter buff because the other 4 people are a premade and they are impatient and toxic?
I don’t quite understand what you mean by I’m expecting to be handheld or am being entitled? All I expect in a dungeon that allows you to Q at level 30 is for players to not be toxic and do the dungeon. Not have a 4 man premade kick someone because they don’t want to “waste time”.
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That does not answer OP’s question.
It does though, because LFD is run democratically. If you want to learn to play your character and others don’t want to be there to teach you or act as your personal tutorial… you are going to get kicked at times, or just ignored and they manage the dungeon without you making your levelling and learning experience null-and-void.
Because four people are more than one person. There’s no way to justify that one person should be allowed by the game’s system to hold those four people hostage. Which is what would be the conclusion if those four people, premade or not, wouldn’t be allowed to kick a player that they simply didn’t want to play with.
People queuing for a dungeon are queuing for a dungeon. They aren’t signing up for a dungeon to act as a tutorial for folks who don’t know how to play their role.
Some folks will be fine helping out (I’m one such person), but others aren’t (I know plenty of folks who don’t care about it). But I will also say this much: there’s not much to be learned from low level dungeons due to the fact that you don’t have access to all of your abilities yet, making any low level dungeon at best … a completely pointless exercise in learning how to play your role.
You do a dungeon when levelling to experience the dungeon whilst levelling. Nothing more, nothing less.
I’m sorry but this doesn’t pass the smell test at all based on this post and subsequent posts made. If you’re new to a particular type of tank, SAY SOMETHING for the love of the titans. Unless people just want to be tools, so long as you speak up and say “hey I’m still learning” then most people will be willing to cut you some slack. That said, slack only goes so far and if you’re not ready to tank certain content yet, then you’re just not yet ready to tank certain content. That doesn’t mean you can’t be ready at some point, it simply means that it’s not now.
Also I wouldn’t judge your ability or inability to tank purely based on timewalking dungeons because they’re not tuned properly at all. They can be completed sure, but the trash mobs are hitting way harder than they should be. I still think they forgot to tune the trash mobs to account for the level squish, so the trash assumes you’re on a level 60+ toon as was the case with BC stuff before the squish.
Now the deserter penalty was added because of abuses very early on when the kick system was first implemented years ago. You can dislike what Sendryn said to you, but he’s 100% correct about the history of why the penalty was added. I don’t like that such a penalty was necessary either, but I would rather the penalty exist than not.
Maybe you were kicked for a valid reason, maybe you weren’t. We can debate that until the cows come home (cue tauren joke here), but the system exists as is to prevent abuses that were present earlier on. By on means is the system perfect, but it’s better than it was originally. The only way to have a perfect system is to be an all seeing god and noe of us are that. All we have is your word and you’re not exactly an unbiased source. Does that mean you’re automatically at fault, no it doesn’t. What it means is based off some of your further statements you’ve made, I believe there’s more to this story than meets the eye. Also the timewalking instances scale you down to 30 for their runs, that doesn’t mean everyone in there was level 30. Simply because you were kicked on its own doesn’t mean the rest of the group was toxic.
And this is why I’m calling shenanigans on this being the whole story. See above, just because the game scaled everyone down to 30 doesn’t mean everyone in thee was level 30. Mechanics are still mechanics at low level just as they are max level. if you’re not doing the proper mechanics and the group is wiping or having issues, yeah sorry but something has got to give, even if that means a kick.
You do NOT need to read a ton of books before jumping into the game. Saying “well I don’t want to read a bunch of stuff before jumping in” is an excuse for mediocrity. You don’t need to master the game in a day, but if you can’t be bothered to at least look at a page that says abilities 1 2 3 4 and 5 are your core powers, or dare I say actually ask a more experienced warrior what to do, then yeah I don’t want you in my groups. Saying “I don’t want to read a bunch of stuff” is like trying to put something together from IKEA without reading the instructions then whining that it didn’t come out right. That’s not a group problem, that’s a pebcak problem on your end.
Now here’s where it gets a little interesting. I have to ask, was there a warrior in your group named Jadebladejk at the time? Because around the time this thread was posted I had to call a kick on a prot warrior that wouldn’t listen to people. Guy kept running into groups and pulling way too much at once and caused 3 group wipes as a result. First one was a mulligan, second wipe I warned him to slow down because stuff was overtuned. Guy didn’t listen so after the 3rd wipe we called the vote kick because he didn’t want to listen, and by no means am I sorry for calling that kick either.
Now for the line in bold, kicking is absolutely justified if you’re doing something to the detriment of the group. If you’re pulling way too much junk then yes you absolutely deserve to be kicked. You have a right to have your fun just as much as anyone else BUT not at the expense of 4 other people. You are 1 person out of a group of 5, and why should 4 other people have to put up with one bad seed when they can just kick and move on. No one likes being kicked, but if you deserved it then you deserved it. Suck it up and move on. And to be perfectly blunt as much as you’re raging in here and making excuses as to why you can’t learn or so on, the more I’m convinced the kick was justified. Why should you get a free pass at the expense of 4 other people?
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I’m at the point where if the vote kick check box comes up, I just select “no”. Ran some TW and saw a few kicks for unknown reasons.
It’s TW. Chill out.
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Was doing the Cinderbrew Dungeon a short while back, kept seeing the vote pop-up. Somebody wanted to kick the Tank for the reason “bad Tank”. Granted he was admittedly a little confused on where to go he was no where near the worst I’ve ever seen. So I just kept hitting no.
It failed twice before it finally succeeded and he got kicked. He whispered me saying “Dude what the heck?”, told him it wasn’t me and I was hitting no. They were just being impatient as hell. Attitude that makes a lot of people not want to bother with Tanking and they wonder why queues are so long.
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They really need to revamp the kick the system… as it is, people can just type ‘afk’ and the whole group will kick you out… it is constantly being abused by groups or trolls…
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Sorry that happened to you, OP. The community is seriously mean and unforgiving. It’s why Blizzard has provided more and more solo content over time. It’s why we’ve reached the point where we have story modes for raids, follower dungeons, and delves for gearing solo. I’m also guessing it’s why we have a total chat kill option in the social tab now. We do not in any way have to deal with toxic bullies in the game anymore.
My advice is to just forget these people, level a bit more so you can solo the older content dungeons at your own pace, and use the follower dungeon option when you get to the current expansion. It’s just not worth the pain of dealing with the actual community.
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