It looks like a solid start on paper. I don’t get it
I just take my 20% and move on. Pretty lackluster with the war within nerf
It’s becoming a much better stat on reset
only because ASCENDANCE , yeah u gonna take , and like it , or blizz will poke u until u do.
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well yes ? You could also skip combustion for mage and that would change your seconday balance but why would you ?
at least combustion is a fun button to press
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Is Ascendance useful for ST? Flame Shock + Lava Burst spread sounds useful for AoE
Ascendance will be incredibly strong for AoE.
It will still be a very strong button to press for ST.
25% haste, getting an overload on every spell cast that can overload. including spenders.
To answer your question OP:
Right this very moment Mastery’s buff to damage doesn’t apply to our summons, and right this moment the meta is Farseer and maximizing uptime on Storm Elemental, meaning that pet damage makes up a large chunk of our DPS. Mastery performs better for Stormbringer, but it still falls behind critical strike and especially haste since Flash of Lighting’s cooldown reduction utterly distorts our stat weights and makes haste a runaway king stat for us. Traditionally mastery heavy builds favor Lavaburst spam builds (since Lavaburst doesn’t benefit from critical strike) and right now Lavaburst is in a weak spot, so LB spam fire builds aren’t really a thing for us at the moment.
This is changing in 11.0.5 for two reasons:
1.) Mastery flat damage increase is changing to also apply to summons.
2.) Mastery burst will become very strong with new Ascendance
We don’t know yet where exactly stat weights will fall come the patch but mastery will almost assuredly become a very solid stat for us once again.
(It’s also worth noting that most builds at the moment do not include Mountains Will Fall, but it will become a much easier talent to path into come 11.0.5 as well)
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Ok thanks for the detailed explanation. When are these changes being made?
Ascendance is fun in 11.0.5, have you ever been on the ptr ?
How close do we need to be to use Ascendance–spreading Flame Shocks Lava Bursts to “nearby” enemies?
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With how integrated ascendence seems to be with mastery it should be built in or higher up in the tree.
I’m not complaining. I will be taking ascendence on all specs. But for those who might not want to …
October 22nd.
Rip having elementals out though post patch.
33% reduced duration for main elemental (30 sec to 20 sec) and mini one if you had the talent (15 sec to 10 sec) and they also got rid of the flame shock reducing the cooldown on our elementals so now instead of it being once every 90-120 seconds it is now strictly a 180 sec cooldown with a short duration, not to mention storm ele buffing lightning bolt cast time only caps out at 16% where as before it was 30%.
overall it feels like this patch is more or less a nerf.
Surge of Power Lava Bursts + Farseer Ancestor–for sure not going to have the uptime of Flash of Lightning Elemental but it doesn’t have to be 150 seconds. I like that the Echo now supposedly no longer resets the stacked haste bonus and it’ll be much easier to cap and encourage more weaving as opposed to LB spam. It’s flat haste instead of Lightning haste
Still not sure why anyone would run Fire Elemental. Curious what our next tierset may be. Mastery affecting pet damage may become quite strong and Farseer Ancestors receive bonus too?
Storm elemental buff is now a flat haste buff so it will affect our entire kit instead of just forcing us to spam lightning bolt the whole window. It will also max out much quicker, meaning you won’t be forced to stack a huge amount of haste / use a haste CD / beg for PI to get good value out of it.
Chances are we will hold elemental for our Ascendance window. Ele is probably shifting from a steady DPS profile with some aoe burst windows to becoming a massive burst window every 3 minutes.
Like our aoe burst with Ascendance and Stormkeeper is pretty crazy on ptr.
It’s just a shame Deeply Rooted Elements is such a poor proc chance so running it will be really swingy.
Yeah fire ele is basically in a dead state at the moment because we can’t build around lava burst spam. Farseer had the potential to do that if they tweaked some talents and leaned into the ‘LB cast chance to summon an ancestor’ talent, but they are changing it to also proc off lightning bolt and chain lightning.
I believe the changes to ele are absolutely a step in the right direction because spamming lightning bolt as many times as humanly possible was really unhealthy gameplay, but I believe more is left to be done. Blizzard needs to decide once and for all whether our tree should be divided between lightning and fire, or just be one big glob of elemental weaving. Because it’s kind of both and as a result improved flametongue and fire ele are just dead talents.
(It’s a shame we can’t go Totemic as I think a Totemic fire build would have had a lot of potential to be really cool. Enhancement could have gotten Farseer and summon wolf spirits.)
From what I gather Stormbringer is just dumpstering Farseer in PTR but we shall see when the dust settles.
I’m pretty certain you did extensive maths and research but the ele shaman discord mods seem to think otherwise.
Not sure who to trust though.
the lack of sync is going to hurt , Ascendance is 3M , elemental is 2.5M…
lowering ascendance to 2.5 would help
Talent to reduce Ascendance to 2 min–can probably easily reduce Ele to 2 min as well with Farseer + Surge of Power