Racials still matter, all this proves is that you are bad for doing poorly with a better one.10/04/2018 09:23 PMPosted by MidareBehold... "faction imbalance" at its finest:
http://wow-stats.com/bgwr01.html
Guess the narrative about "B-but the racials" will not stop even when at 50/50.
I seem to lose no matter what faction I'm playing lol.
I always see Alliance losing, the only time they win is when they have those 5 man party of twinks.
Seems alliance is doing fine in the Blizzcon tournament. Comically because of dwarves and dark Iron dwarves.
10/05/2018 01:22 PMPosted by Skyfury10/05/2018 09:33 AMPosted by Shorthealsbecause they are not good
Pretty much this. I queue exclusively merc mode and can pretty much base my wins/losses on if the Alliance team I'm on is majority Horde mercs or not.
If I'm one of a few mercs, it's a loss.
If over half the time are actually Horde players, it's probably a W.
Alliance players are disorganized, hardly go for objectives, and if the starts a successful zerg strat they don't know how to counter it and just sit in the GY.
Merc mode is part of the problem and needs to be removed
10/04/2018 02:40 PMPosted by JubearleeI honestly think it's because over the last decade the Horde has just been "better" for PvP and Raiding (not so much now) and over those years all the "better" players have just slowly gravitated toward the Horde side.
Skip forward a few years and you've got a good mix of people who are Good, a mix of people who have played with Good players long enough to be decent, and then a group of people being carried by these Good and Decent players.
Meanwhile over on the Alliance side you've got people that are still holding out and staying on the Alliance side despite the "drawbacks" its had over the years.
I think it's just down to the fact that if you wanted to progress and "get better" at WoW, you've been all-but-incentivized to roll Horde, and this is just the result of it.
Youâre lit, you say decade?
Just a few years ago, human made up 99% of the top 1,000 PVP players and that is a literal fact. Iâm sure it was around 90% with the top 10,000
Every Man For Himself was the best racial by a large margin until it was nerfed.
10/05/2018 01:27 PMPosted by NielamalyonYou lost ten in a row? it's probably because I main a healer, and a tank but most of the bg's i've played in has been 50/50 do you play any other role aside from the dps? or do you at least try coordinating with the group?10/05/2018 01:05 PMPosted by GdtrollShouldn't this thread be in the "Battlegrounds" forum?
Last I checked rogues couldnât tank or heal...
10/04/2018 02:45 PMPosted by Ryzos10/04/2018 02:39 PMPosted by LazzlowI honestly think itâs just their pessimistic attitude
If you think you are going to lose you probably will
Inb4 people say our + .5% dps racials are why
".5"
Yea let me fight the troll with a bloodlust racial with my rep boost racial
"It's not any game mechanics alliance just have a bad attitude"
Well....
As a faction yah we kinda do
Edit:
Alliance suffered unbalanced racial abilities yes, since the darn blood elves showed up in bc everything slowly started gravitating horde. However blizzard has since addressed the racial issue. I personally dont feel the racials themselves have much sway, probably mostly cause i hardly ever see a blood elf use their arcane torrent or an orc bezerk unless hes a warrior.
A lot of the alliance losses i have experienced are mostly attributed to poor sportsmanship and unwillingness to work together and communicate. At the begging of a warsong gulch match for example it should be established in the minute or so before the match whos going for enemy flag and whos playing defense. This of course never happens and if you ask for a strategy 9 out of 10 you'll get "kill stuff, steal flag" as a return.
We are not, in fact since BfA Alliance has been winning more.
Itâs just bad luck. But kind of weird Alliance losing epic BGs. We usually crash the Horde in those BGs but we rarely win normal BGs. After your 5th match, Iâd take a break.
Just got dumped into an in progress AV.
Alliance reinforcement: 150
Horde reinforcements: 650
/sigh
Alliance reinforcement: 150
Horde reinforcements: 650
/sigh
0-3 so far tonight. If I could get at least 1 win before going to bed, that would be great...
Finally got 1 win after 4 games. I quit for the night.
Alliance player here. Since Wednesday, my W/L score in random battlegrounds is 20-36. This is abysmal and nothing close to the 50% that I see some people say they see as Alliance.
I previously played as a warlock on the Horde side, and it was actually close to 50% in Legion, plus or minus a few depending on the day.
I see three main reasons Alliance seems to lose in my observations:
1. Don't give a crap about the goal. I have seen the entire group stay at a single node in Seething Shore forever fighting a group of Horde that has 3 healers and ignore all of the rest while 3-4 Horde go around and scoop them up.
2. Undergeared. It's not uncommon to see a whole team's worth of players with 80, 90, or 100k health while the Horde side will have players starting out at 145k and go up from there. Our measly 80k players just get mashed into the ground. Not that I am one to talk. My character only has 120k or so.
3. Severe mismatches in tanks and healers. It could be just my experience, but I commonly see 3-6 healers on the Horde side whereas we're lucky if we have two. Sometimes it evens out, but I seldom see it in the Alliance's favor. Does this mean that the Alliance has fewer healers? I don't know. But because the Alliance already doesn't know how to focus down one healer, they don't know what to do if they see five of them. It's usually a loss right out of the gate.
But more often, it seems to be #1. I have seen teams just completely ignore EFCs for whatever reason. It's more fun fighting in the road, I guess. And don't get me started about the Temple BG. No one wants the orb. You have to beg people to pick up an orb and even then they don't.
I previously played as a warlock on the Horde side, and it was actually close to 50% in Legion, plus or minus a few depending on the day.
I see three main reasons Alliance seems to lose in my observations:
1. Don't give a crap about the goal. I have seen the entire group stay at a single node in Seething Shore forever fighting a group of Horde that has 3 healers and ignore all of the rest while 3-4 Horde go around and scoop them up.
2. Undergeared. It's not uncommon to see a whole team's worth of players with 80, 90, or 100k health while the Horde side will have players starting out at 145k and go up from there. Our measly 80k players just get mashed into the ground. Not that I am one to talk. My character only has 120k or so.
3. Severe mismatches in tanks and healers. It could be just my experience, but I commonly see 3-6 healers on the Horde side whereas we're lucky if we have two. Sometimes it evens out, but I seldom see it in the Alliance's favor. Does this mean that the Alliance has fewer healers? I don't know. But because the Alliance already doesn't know how to focus down one healer, they don't know what to do if they see five of them. It's usually a loss right out of the gate.
But more often, it seems to be #1. I have seen teams just completely ignore EFCs for whatever reason. It's more fun fighting in the road, I guess. And don't get me started about the Temple BG. No one wants the orb. You have to beg people to pick up an orb and even then they don't.
Nearly 2 weeks later and things are only getting worse. My win/loss ratio continues to plummet. Almost every game is an absolute blowout. I haven't won a single game in TWO DAYS. Capping conquest has been a monumental struggle. If it wasn't for conquest I wouldn't bother queuing at all. Once I've finished grinding conquest I won't be queuing anymore. This isn't fun at all.
10/04/2018 02:39 PMPosted by LazzlowI honestly think itâs just their pessimistic attitude
If you think you are going to lose you probably will
Inb4 people say our + .5% dps racials are why
Kinda like EMFH? Give it a rest, one faction isn't better/worse than the other, especially in randoms!
Inb4 people say our + .5% dps racials are why
It's .5% dps racials. Now mind you I haven't pvp'd since Wrath of the Lich King as I just was looking for a DAOC style hit that I found again in Warhammer then had to give up.
Back in the day though Alliance usually lost cause Horde would have heals and we wouldn't.
Both factions suck at most PVP because most players aren't very good in PVP and many don't care to be. I've also noticed a trend that Horde have a better chance in the evening and early morning (lets say around 6 pm EST to 6 am EST) while the Alliance have a better chance during the daytime.
10/17/2018 03:24 PMPosted by YamYou'd think they would be the best. Liberals have a thing for !@#$ing things up real good.
What the pluck does that have to do with anything?
10/05/2018 08:02 PMPosted by ElsinneBut because the Alliance already doesn't know how to focus down one healer, they don't know what to do if they see five of them. It's usually a loss right out of the gate.
This !@#$ gets me every time I play BGs. I'll pop on the healer and stun-lock, debuff healing, DoT up and stick. My Alliance buddies, meanwhile, are chasing the damn Demon Hunter and Warrior around less than 30 yards away completely ignoring the healer I'm desperately trying to take down to help win the fight.