I've been doing a lot of Epic BGs lately and have lost the last TEN in a row. No, this isn't an exaggeration, as I use Reflex to keep track of my win/loss ratio. When I first got this character to 120 3 weeks ago, Alliance won the majority of these BGs. Now, every single game is an absolute blowout. Half of these games have been in progress loses from the moment I joined. What happened?
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I honestly think it’s just their pessimistic attitude
If you think you are going to lose you probably will
Inb4 people say our + .5% dps racials are why
If you think you are going to lose you probably will
Inb4 people say our + .5% dps racials are why
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I honestly think it's because over the last decade the Horde has just been "better" for PvP and Raiding (not so much now) and over those years all the "better" players have just slowly gravitated toward the Horde side.
Skip forward a few years and you've got a good mix of people who are Good, a mix of people who have played with Good players long enough to be decent, and then a group of people being carried by these Good and Decent players.
Meanwhile over on the Alliance side you've got people that are still holding out and staying on the Alliance side despite the "drawbacks" its had over the years.
I think it's just down to the fact that if you wanted to progress and "get better" at WoW, you've been all-but-incentivized to roll Horde, and this is just the result of it.
Skip forward a few years and you've got a good mix of people who are Good, a mix of people who have played with Good players long enough to be decent, and then a group of people being carried by these Good and Decent players.
Meanwhile over on the Alliance side you've got people that are still holding out and staying on the Alliance side despite the "drawbacks" its had over the years.
I think it's just down to the fact that if you wanted to progress and "get better" at WoW, you've been all-but-incentivized to roll Horde, and this is just the result of it.
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I don’t think its 100% because of better pvp but you do have a point10/04/2018 02:40 PMPosted by JubearleeI honestly think it's because over the last decade the Horde has just been "better" for PvP and Raiding (not so much now) and over those years all the "better" players have just slowly gravitated toward the Horde side.
Skip forward a few years and you've got a good mix of people who are Good, a mix of people who have played with Good players long enough to be decent, and then a group of people being carried by these Good and Decent players.
Meanwhile over on the Alliance side you've got people that are still holding out and staying on the Alliance side despite the "drawbacks" its had over the years.
I think it's just down to the fact that if you wanted to progress and "get better" at WoW, you've been all-but-incentivized to roll Horde, and this is just the result of it.
People don’t want to be around constant negativity and pessimism, the horde is just a friendlier community in general
We have faction pride, we help out lowbies, noobs, and guildies
We think we are the better side and that we will win and people like that
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10/04/2018 02:39 PMPosted by LazzlowI honestly think it’s just their pessimistic attitude
If you think you are going to lose you probably will
Inb4 people say our + .5% dps racials are why
".5"
Yea let me fight the troll with a bloodlust racial with my rep boost racial
"It's not any game mechanics alliance just have a bad attitude"
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In my case, it's because I just don't care about PvP at all.10/04/2018 02:37 PMPosted by ShadowsWhat happened?
Every once in a while I'm persuaded to give it another try, don't find it very entertaining, and stop again. I don't get anything out of it enjoyment-wise, whether I win or not. Sometimes I'll still dabble in it for rewards, but not generally for long.
And because I know I don't care about it, I don't really care about getting any better, and don't put effort into it. No reason to. If I have the same "meh" experience whether I win or lose, why put too much effort into winning?
(I mean, don't get me wrong, I'll make a good faith attempt to win. I'm not an AFKer and I don't intentionally throw matches. But, I won't study strategies or practice or tweak my macros or anything like that. My PvP talents were basically chosen by the dartboard method.)
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You can sim all the racials and do it yourself with a trial character10/04/2018 02:45 PMPosted by Ryzos10/04/2018 02:39 PMPosted by LazzlowI honestly think it’s just their pessimistic attitude
If you think you are going to lose you probably will
Inb4 people say our + .5% dps racials are why
".5"
Yea let me fight the troll with a bloodlust racial with my rep boost racial
"It's not any game mechanics alliance just have a bad attitude"
Racials boost dps by .5%
Also horde won all the time when you had a literal 3rd trinket so that point is irrelevant
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10/04/2018 02:46 PMPosted by LazzlowYou can sim all the racials and do it yourself with a trial character10/04/2018 02:45 PMPosted by Ryzos...
".5"
Yea let me fight the troll with a bloodlust racial with my rep boost racial
"It's not any game mechanics alliance just have a bad attitude"
Racials boost dps by .5%
TL:DR horde don't know burst dps vs sustained dps and which is more important in pvp
10/04/2018 02:45 PMPosted by Ryzos10/04/2018 02:39 PMPosted by LazzlowI honestly think it’s just their pessimistic attitude
If you think you are going to lose you probably will
Inb4 people say our + .5% dps racials are why
".5"
Yea let me fight the troll with a bloodlust racial with my rep boost racial
"It's not any game mechanics alliance just have a bad attitude"
Are you forgetting the other troll and human Racials? Or leaving them out for convenience to prove your point?
I could say
“Yeah let me fight a human with a trinket Racial with my increased exp killing beasts”
And TBH complaining about Trolls in PvP?
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You had a third trinket and lost to horde regularly10/04/2018 02:47 PMPosted by Ryzos<span class="truncated">...</span> You can sim all the racials and do it yourself with a trial character
Racials boost dps by .5%
TL:DR horde don't know burst dps vs sustained dps and which is more important in pvp
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10/04/2018 02:37 PMPosted by ShadowsI've been doing a lot of Epic BGs lately and have lost the last TEN in a row. No, this isn't an exaggeration, as I use Reflex to keep track of my win/loss ratio. When I first got this character to 120 3 weeks ago, Alliance won the majority of these BGs. Now, every single game is an absolute blowout. Half of these games have been in progress loses from the moment I joined. What happened?
Cause we're trying to put out a freaking burning tree. Stop doing BGs and grab a water bucket you lazy void mongrel.
You had a third trinket and lost to horde regularly. Give me a break10/04/2018 02:47 PMPosted by Ryzos...
TL:DR horde don't know burst dps vs sustained dps and which is more important in pvp
"Third trinket"
Remember when you guys had your racials finally nerfed in WoD and that became a salt mines of complaints that alliance were winning.
And of course Blizzard almost immediately fixed it for their favorite faction. Meanwhile we get the BE racial nerf 14 years after it was added.
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You are really hitting my constant pessimism point right in the head with that post... You had a third trinket and lost to horde regularly. Give me a break
"Third trinket"
Remember when you guys had your racials finally nerfed in WoD and that became a salt mines of complaints that alliance were winning.
And of course Blizzard almost immediately fixed it for their favorite faction. Meanwhile we get the BE racial nerf 14 years after it was added.
10/04/2018 02:47 PMPosted by Ryzos<span class="truncated">...</span> You can sim all the racials and do it yourself with a trial character
Racials boost dps by .5%
TL:DR horde don't know burst dps vs sustained dps and which is more important in pvp
Faction is irrelevant when it comes to burst or sustain. That's down to classes and how people play, don't be an idiot. .5% is about 100-200 damage. moreover most of horde races don't even have any damage racials.
HM Taurens mine faster. That's it. Oh but watch out, my balance druid HM tauren is getting a T H I C C 1% versatility bonus. How unbalanced, right? You can count on one hand how many versatility points that gives you.
you're a rogue go gank fire lol10/04/2018 02:55 PMPosted by Eberwyn10/04/2018 02:37 PMPosted by ShadowsI've been doing a lot of Epic BGs lately and have lost the last TEN in a row. No, this isn't an exaggeration, as I use Reflex to keep track of my win/loss ratio. When I first got this character to 120 3 weeks ago, Alliance won the majority of these BGs. Now, every single game is an absolute blowout. Half of these games have been in progress loses from the moment I joined. What happened?
Cause we're trying to put out a freaking burning tree. Stop doing BGs and grab a water bucket you lazy void mongrel.
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TL:DR horde don't know burst dps vs sustained dps and which is more important in pvp
Faction is irrelevant when it comes to burst or sustain. That's down to classes and how people play, don't be an idiot. .5% is about 100-200 damage. moreover most of horde races don't even have any damage racials.
HM Taurens mine faster. That's it. Oh but watch out, my balance druid HM tauren is getting a T H I C C 1% versatility bonus. How unbalanced, right? You can count on one hand how many versatility points that gives you.
Play a troll, use the racial with your burst and check your recount.
You guys are applying PvE logic to Pvp which explains why you don't get why your racials are as over powered as they are.
But at the same time try to spin that EMFH was game breaking.
10/04/2018 03:01 PMPosted by MercelĂda<span class="truncated">...</span>you're a rogue go gank fire lol
Cause we're trying to put out a freaking burning tree. Stop doing BGs and grab a water bucket you lazy void mongrel.
Im Outlaw gun doesnt work on fire
10/04/2018 03:02 PMPosted by RyzosBut at the same time try to spin that EMFH was game breaking.
Let's see.
EMFH, free get out of jail card, don't need a trinket for it.
Are you familiar what a stat stick means? Because having a free racial trinket gives you the freedom of having a stat stick trinket. But you love to ignore that part of the equation.
Again, stop being bad.
As far as Epic BGs go, I think the reason Horde is thriving in them is because since we can't just blacklist them now, we had to learn how to actually win them. So you'll get people in AV actually playing defense instead of just trying to zerg, which results in a loss like 80% of the time. I've only done 1 IoC, but I'd imagine actually knowing what to do is also in play there.
10/04/2018 02:46 PMPosted by LazzlowYou can sim all the racials and do it yourself with a trial character10/04/2018 02:45 PMPosted by Ryzos...
".5"
Yea let me fight the troll with a bloodlust racial with my rep boost racial
"It's not any game mechanics alliance just have a bad attitude"
Racials boost dps by .5%
Also horde won all the time when you had a literal 3rd trinket so that point is irrelevant
.5% over 3 minutes. PvP is decided in 15s you know where those 15% boosts matter.