Raids don’t win or lose on TANK damage. It’s true, tanks are putting out more damage than they ever have.
But it still doesn’t compare to DPS. Not even close.
And it’s not like this is LK where the extra damage translate to more threat. Threat hasn’t been an issue in what… 10 years? lol
I just don’t see the benefit of your tanks having more DPS output BEFORE your actual dps. If everyone already has it? Sure.
But this was the FIRST DROP for our raid. And a tank takes it???
Am I wrong here? (edit to update for posterity: I was wrong. )
what I learned:
The trinket is a flat damage output, not a scaling damage trinket. So if your tank does 500k to the boss, or a DPS, or even a healer… it’s still 500k damage to the boss. It doesn’t really matter WHO does it.
The trinket contributes pretty much the same amount of raw damage no matter who equips it. Tanks have lower base damage, the trinket does absolutely enormous base damage, and as such tanks are the best Beacon users.
The short answer is that most tanks believe they are entitled to take whatever they want by nature of there being fewer tanks than DPS, and that they should be bowed down to as the gods among men that they are.
It’s a flat damage amount, so doesn’t really matter who does it, the boss takes the same amount. Pretty sure there are better trinkets for most DPS.
Where did I say they were losing aggro? I said it helps. And again… mastery may be one of the tank’s best stats. It is for Pally tanks. It’s AoE damage and mastery. I fail to see the issue.
Who doesn’t? Tank damage is part of group damage. If they do 40k and you do 100k, it’s the same as if they did 50k and then you could still kill the boss even if you did 90k.
When you said “tanks need to keep aggro.” So if they’re not KEEPING aggro …
Don’t be dense.
@Alloiria really summed it up best. I guess the issue here is when a BiS trinket drops for the first time, I want to see it go to the people that need it the most. I want to see “Absorption shields, dodge, parry, etc” … OBVIOUS tanking trinkets go to tanks; and I want to see “do HUGE damage” trinkets go to DPS.
In this example, it matters less. I can see that now.
The tank will not be dead on the floor doing zero dps due to standing on fire. And sometimes you’ll have those clutch tries where tanks solo the last percent. Tank damage absolutely matters. Specially when tank survivability is now a non-issue.
Tanks don’t really need defensive trinkets right now. They’re perfectly capable of tanking even the hardest content without needing to worry so much about damage intake that they’ll need trinkets to patch up any gaps in their survivability (the hardest tank fights are stuff like Sarkareth, Experiments, and especially Rashok, all of which are higher damage intake than a trinket would be able to cover in the first place; Rashok’s thing is just “if you don’t have mitigation up for a tank combo you’re dead, and if you take two of the same hit you’re MEGA dead,” after all.
In that situation, tanks will need to start optimizing more for damage in order to make these bosses die faster. That’s why you saw tanks frequently running Grieftorch last tier, and why they pretty much universally run Beacon to the Beyond this tier; it’s a trinket that does base damage, so it doesn’t matter too much who uses it.
It’s the best damage trinket in the game for tanks, and as such you’d give your Beacons to tanks since they’ll reliably be able to get it off and because there’s no alternative for them that’s as strong. For something like a Fury Warrior, Beacon isn’t all that great and there are stronger alternatives (Mark of Dargrul, OCE, Dragonscale, hell, even Icon from last tier holds up well), but for a tank there is no trinket that contributes more damage than Beacon to the Beyond.
It’s wasted on a ton of DPS specs, but it’s impossible to “waste” Beacon on a tank because Beacon is universally BiS due to that crazy high damage output. Even for Agility tanks, which get to use Bomb Dispenser (another VERY strong trinket for similar reasons, except this is universally BiS for all Agility classes without fail), Bomb Dispenser is only second to Beacon.