- Hpals
- Lack of incentive / rewards
- Lack of participation
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I think weapon Hpal can use a nerf and rdruid/rsham could use some buffs, other than that I think Healer balance is P good.
Gotta press Q and get good!
Rewards for what? Participation as in queues? Cos if u queue as healer, the game will feel premuch alive.
People aren’t gonna like hearing this but hpal isn’t better than disc priest.
I agree, representation don’t mean hpal is better. If anything I feel disc is more well rounded than hpal.
Palas being good in pvp at all make the game less fun for me.
A class that has access to 5 seconds of immunity has always just sapped the fun for me.
What’s worse is almost every class has something similar now.
Lots of anticlimactic moments these days.
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Honestly, I think this season has been one of the worst for healer balance, if you aren’t playing Disc or HPal you’re just flat out inferior in every way possible; it’s almost as bad as DF S2 post-HPal rework was for healer balance.
I’m not sure this is true, dragon and MW are very good as well. Rshaman has solid MUs as well, and the rdruid mains are still all making it work (it IS undeniably worse, though).
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That’s not the point though, the point is that none of those healers are Disc or HPal which are just so far ahead of the rest of the pack.
I’m not denying that other healers can make it work, of course they can, but they are simply just not on the same level or anywhere close so why would you pick them over the top 2 unless you like playing them or one of your friends plays them?
Holy Paladins are stupid. They don’t cast and the only nerfs they got early in the season got cancelled out by the baseline Paladin tree changes. I will die on the hill that Lay of hands going through dampening is something only Ret should have. Even if Disc is comparable power wise the amount of effort you expend isn’t. At least Disc still has to have eyeballs in their sockets so they can pre fade / death stuff. Disc still eats kicks too. Paladins don’t cast, their mana is still too good, the kill window on them got cut because of the bubble change. I really don’t see why they aren’t considered the BM Hunter of healers since the core of healing aside from positioning is mana management and fake casting neither of which Hpallys have to interface with. Oh and as if they weren’t already toxic now people are cheesing free rating with some weird psuedo perma link garbage because they totally needed additional gimmicks to remain S tier
That IS my point, though. I really don’t think that hpal and disc are that far ahead. I think they’re good for sure and better than rdruid/rshaman, but I think exactly what you’re talking about is another example of community misunderstanding.
The top team on the ladder today was resto druid arcane mage outlaw. There were also two resto druids at 2600+ reliably beating hpal and disc teams using novoice. Disc and Hpal are not that far ahead like everyone seems to think they are. They were for sure, but there have also been weeks of buffs/nerfs to over and underperforming specs.
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So while those 2 RDruids were beating teams there are 68 and 61 HPals and Discs above 2400 to 13 RDruids, that is a massive difference.
The only misunderstanding is coming from you, why would you play any other healer right now while Disc and HPal just permanently deny anyone on their team taking damage while never going oom and having a kit that completely ignores dampening?
This season’s healer balance is a complete joke and they actually made Holy Paladin stronger this patch, not weaker by removing the cooldown on Repentance.
Yes, and a huge part of that was how the game was not how it is.
There’s no misunderstanding.
This isn’t true, though. Resto druid AND resto shaman DO have worse mana 100%, but the number of times that that ends up mattering are significantly fewer and further between.
Also, comps like thunder cleave and rogue/mage’s best healers atm are resto druid because of the cyclone DR from a healer as well as the throughput to keep the team permanently offensive.
Further, comps like splay or boom+X can do really well with shaman for the added kick. Shaman also just does extremely well into wizards in general with shear and ground.
I think it was the worst it has ever been at the start of the season. I think it’s gotten better every patch. I think it’s not where it’s supposed to be. But I also think that anyone who makes claims like:
are fooling themselves into believing that balance is worse than it is and creating yet another social boogeyman.
Those are specific comps, in everything else you are generally better off picking Disc or HPal.
Yes, other healers went from being 3 laps behind to 2 laps behind.
Then I’m sorry but you are delusional, we’re talking about best healers, not what comps some of the others can play. Those 13 RDruids are people tied down to a specific comp with little wriggle room, the 68 HPals have multiple comps they can play in.
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They’re not that different, though is exactly my point. Yeah, at the very top of the ladder the difference matters, but for the OVERWHELMING majority of the playerbase the healers are super close.
No offense, because I’m not taking any offense from this conversation either, but I think it’s extremely delusional to think that hpal and disc are so far ahead of everything else that the other classes can’t compete. I think you could put any two different healers of the same mmr in 100 different lobbies and the winrate would be +/- 2%.
The gap isn’t nearly as wide as players make it out to be, and I think comments like yours just exacerbate that perception.
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Well I forgot one more healer that’s even further ahead of the top 2…
Is there another ahead mathematically? I though hpal was the highest across the board, no?
Dragon and mw are just as good, if not better IMO (although I do think hpal sacred weapon needs a nerf, because it’s basically a less visible life cocoon with how much it prevents kills on a specific target on a shorter cd).
I also think you’d see WAY more pres evokers if jungle and fury wars weren’t so dominant atm.
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It’s DN
Ahh, yes. My good friend, Thora who plays druid named his character “dos nachos” in honor of his best friend, Enrique as they’re both inseperable.
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