Why I Left WoW RP for ESO

I’m going to first summarize my thoughts on WoW and its rp environment. I actually like WoW as a game, it’s fun, the graphics are interesting, and the combat mechanics are usually really good depending on the class. Working with people in dungeons and raids tends to be a satisfying experience.

When it comes to rp however, WoW is severely lacking. Most rp is done by walk up rp. You literally need a tag that says, “walk-ups welcome”, which is actually silly if you think about it. As much as I like trp, it also takes away a lot of mystery if used incorrectly when people describe everything about their character, allowing you to instantly judge that trp and decide if you want to walk up or not. People end up standing around in Orgrimmar and Stormwind, looking for some small social interaction, that probably won’t lead anywhere. Many people won’t take the initiative to walk up themselves, so they end up standing their just looking cool. Some guilds are effective in running events, but they are few and far between.

Onward to why I started playing and rp’ing in ESO. I’m just going to list off everything good about it, and why it excels compared to WoW’s rp. Player housing. ESO allows you to find/purchase thousands of items that you can use to furnish a couple dozen different home types. Everything from a mud hut to a dwemer underground chamber. You can find these items in game through various means, or buy them with Crowns (you get some Crowns every month if you pay the sub which is $14.99). Being able to fully customize your player’s house is amazing. I’ve seen players with large houses which they use as a guild hall, and it really enhances rp in the game. Open world rp is harder to find now, so that is a drawback, but it still occurs and they’re great places to meet new people.

You actually have to interact with character’s to get to know them. There isn’t a trp to tell you that this guy has a scar on his head, or he smells like lilacs, or she has an aura of Shadow. Usually you can customize your character so heavily that you wouldn’t even need to do that anyway. There’s so much lore in the game, it’s actually kind of crazy how the wiki pages go into detail about different religions, people, gods, pretty much everything. WoW has a lot of lore as well, but the Elder Scrolls is so much more in depth so there’s a lot to draw on for character inspiration. There are so many different types of people and cultures in Elder Scrolls, so it makes for some interesting character concepts. There are many different emotes, you can sit about 5 different ways. You can cross your arms, fold you hands behind your back. Lean against tables or walls, and so on. This just adds to the immersion for ESO rp. There’s an outfit system similar to transmog, but you can actually dye your outfit to create the exact look that you want.

My first night back in ESO was more eventful than months of rp’ing in WoW. My ashlander dunmer (dark elf) character traveled to the Reach where he ended up following a tribe back to their camp. The first thing they had him do was try to capture a goblin to see how fast of a runner he was. He ended up breaking a rib and nearly killed the goblin by accident. One of the Reachmen got angry at this and shot an arrow into his leg. It was an amusing and enjoyable experience and I immediately found a community of players to rp with.

The gameplay in ESO, particularly the combat, is very fast paced and there aren’t many abilities that have long casting times, so there’s something about it that doesn’t feel as satisfying in comparison to WoW. That being said, I don’t think I’ll ever come back to WoW for rp unless they continue adding customization options and give us player housing. There’s other games that simply provide a better atmosphere for rp.

This is probably going to be an unpopular opinion, and feel free to defend WoW rp because I’m actually interested to see if that is even possible. A gaming company with the money that Blizzard has could add housing to their game, but they don’t see it as a way to make money, so it won’t happen until WoW’s end times as an attempt to draw players back in. What does that tell you? It tells me that they don’t care about the joy of the game. All they plan on doing is releasing more expansions so that you can continue to chase the carrot on the stick, whether that’s a new mount or getting your ilvl up in order to do new content.

TLDR, Blizzard needs to add player housing before they earn my money again.

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I came in here with a pitchfork, then I read your post. Fair, really fair. Although RP in general is personal preference (for example, I LOVE reading TRP profiles and I’m so glad it exists), I totally understand where you’re coming from.

Also yes, player housing would be amazing. What Garrison’s could have been… sigh

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First off, glad that you found a game and community that you enjoy!

Second off, player housing in WoW wouldn’t magically improve the RP scene overnight. It could even be a determent to it since people would use player housing to exclude people from engaging with them.

It’s a double-edged sword sort of scenario, if a certain event got so popular that a housing unit was filled to capacity then those who weren’t able to get into that housing phasing would be left out in the cold.

Overall though, RP is what you make of it. If you’re just standing around waiting on people to engage with you, then you’re going to be bored and find the RP scene lacking.

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Ok, I’ve got a minute…

This is a YMMV post that you’ve made here. It’s subjective. Here’s my subjective reply:

I’ve been RPing on WrA since 2 weeks after it opened. Most (almost all) of my RP has never been walk up and I’ve never had a tag saying walk ups welcome, stating how many years I’ve RPd, that I can match your paragraph size, or that has gone into novella. There are plenty of interesting points people leave off TRPs. Even if they do add lots of detail - you never know who or what you’re getting.

As far as guilds who run events, many of them advertise right here on the forums. Battlestein? Volkar? I’ve interacted with both of these guilds and many others. They have weekly events, detailed RP d20 systems, ongoing plots, character growth, etc. I’m running a guild with all of these things and so do a lot of guilds who don’t advertise here. If you take a few minutes to look, you’ll find one. They’re not few and far between, believe me.

Again, YMMV. I’ve RPd in ESO on and off since launch and what I found there was tavern RP. In the past, I’ve joined a large RP guild meant specifically for connecting with other RPers, an Enjin site and a Discord for ESO RP and still found it frustrating to connect with people to interact. In fact, the best interaction I’ve had in ESO was either taking my WoW guildies with me or interacting with other people from WrA who also had alts on ESO.

As far as gameplay, ESO could definitely use some better add ons. Their lore is about as extensive as anyone else’s. I wouldn’t say they have an abundance over WoW.

If you want to see player housing, try SWTOR. I’ve got a house in ESO. I have numerous strongholds on SWTOR and have run content and purchased sets to furnish all of them. Additionally, every SWTOR guild I’ve been in has had extensive RP at guild stronghold locations. But again, many if not most of those players also are crossover WoW RPers.

A lot of guilds in WoW also use specific locations as their base or hang out. If they’re out in the world, it can also be better for interaction since the guild is visible to others who might want to give them a look.

I could also list other games such as Conan Exiles or talk about forum RP here as being superior because I’ve done both of these as well. But I keep coming back to WoW. I probably always will. Good luck to you in ESO.

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Fare thee well, OP. I hope you find the guy who slew your mentor.

ESO is a fine game if you can stomach the combat. I pop in and mess around from time to time. I just can’t fully commit to that light/heave attack weaving garbage. But that’s just me. If you’re having fun, keep it up.

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That and the extreme sharding. If you thought WoW’s sharding was terrible, ESO is much worse. Granted, it could have gotten better in recent years, I dunno.

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This is such a huge downside to me. Back on RS we used save our descriptions and other peoples in notepad or on the forums and constantly refer back to them. Such a PITA.

I love writing and reading peoples bios - it was/is one of my favorite parts of City of Heroes where bios are the default. People have such cool concepts and I wanna read e’m all! Sure some people over-fill their TRPs but I wouldn’t say they’re in the majority, and peoples “you may know me ifs” and “at a glances” make for RP hooks for walkup.

I do miss player housing which a lot of mmos have (I have a medium on FFXIV, would like a large) but ESO’s sharding is so, so roleplay unfriendly and I hate it. Glad you enjoy it over there but the only thing of interest it had to me was the PVP.

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I think almost every player will agree that WoW should have housing.

I love Elder Scrolls and have tried a few times to stick with ESO but the player models / textures, combat, animations and UI just push me away. It feels like a game made in the early 2000s, and that’s something that is inherently built into the game and won’t change over time. I wish I wasn’t so fickle but I am. WoW just feels better to me as a whole.

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Other people have already made good points so I’ll keep my general thoughts brief. No matter where you go, what meduim you decide to use to express yourself, roleplaying as a hobby is the most personally customizable thing out there. If ESO is the breath of creative air you need, then I’m really happy that you’ve found something you enjoy! For me, it took making my own fun and exploring new spaces outside of city rp to get out of that kind of rut to make WoW rp fun. You get as much as you put in with this hobby.

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You’re a minority of rp’ers then. That’s just the way it is in WoW though, people feel like they need to say walk ups welcome, multi-para, 20+ years of rp experience, lgbtq+. I’ve even seen someone’s trp say “no cis males, I’m tired of y’all.” Really? The trp is primarily used to filter people out, or enhance limitations on character customization. I’m fine with that aspect of it, less so with the other inherent issue with it. I’d even go so far as to say that I’m guilty of it too.

Sure, yeah…I mentioned that some guilds run events. Have you noticed that there are less rp guilds advertising now than previous expansions? Also, drama…all the rp guilds I’ve been in had rampant drama. This could be an entire discussion and I don’t have time for that.

I definitely know the feeling, as I’ve tried to get back into ESO more than once and found it somewhat difficult. I had the most success joining community wide events listed on TESO-RP and then meeting people there. Once you start making new contacts and new friends, join guilds, the rp scene is pretty vibrant. It is also what you make it, but that can take more work just like running any guild or event in any game. The tavern rp is usually pretty trash, similar to walk up rp in WoW. Sometimes good, but generally not very interesting. There’s also a porttofriends addon which allows you to port to anyone’s house as long as their permissions are set to allow visitors, so people can join events. So far I’ve never had a problem with not being able to get in as these are usually held in the bigger houses and can hold a lot of people.

Really? I feel the opposite. To me, all WoW characters look the same (Zandalari is an extreme example of this and I hate it). There are some great WoW animations, some need work. Generally people still look the same to me, even with the new customizations. The game desperately needs a few height options even if they’re minor, as a starting point. ESO models do look a little rigid imo, but the personalities help sometimes. Also the different idle poses help to make your character less like a cardboard cutout.

As someone who has a ton of fun writing absurd and hilarious TRPs, I get it. I used to be like you, wanting everything to be super immersive and mysterious. But then I started working as a creative professional IRL and I wanted this writing to be my ‘fun no rules’ writing.

To each their own

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Adding this to my TRPs immediately

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I’ve seen people rant about their ultra right wing mega racist political agendas on their TRPs, on the OF and social media. Knowing they’re trash means I can filter them out more conveniently. This is a convenient feature.

No. I haven’t noticed this trend at all, actually. I’ve seen a bunch of guilds advertised in greater depth on the WrA discord than on the OF or trade chat. And all communities have drama, even PVE and PVP.

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Guys, this right here is why we just say, “Sir, this a Wendy’s drive-thru,” from the start of these threads instead of taking the bait.

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All I’ve learned is that apparently my trp wasn’t remotely filled enough with wicked quips.

I almost forgot about the main reason, insanely toxic community, both on the rp server and other servers as well.

Thank you for reminding me.

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I don’t think that anyone is being insanely toxic to you. The only thing that stands out as out of place may be Gwyneth’s joke. You made a thread on the OF about how you’re quitting and why you’re moving to, it seems, convince other people to do the same. People disagreeing with your points isn’t a personal attack. Anyway, wish you the best of luck and lots of fun on ESO. It wasn’t/isn’t something a bunch of others enjoy, is all.

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It wasn’t really this one per se, but many other times I’ve seen on the forums.

Surprisingly I don’t ever see that on TESO-RP at all, even when people disagree.

I’ve had notable negative experiences in every MMO I’ve ever played so I’m afraid I just can’t relate. There was a guy on ESO that relentlessly harassed me for ages telling me he’d do some very illegal and threatening things to me IRL and prayed that my boyfriend would die on deployment.

I don’t really hold my negative experiences over the game or community as a whole. Having an enjoyable time online is almost entirely about how effectively you can curate your online experience. If it doesn’t spark joy…yeet it.

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