Why I do NOT support the multibox ban

Multiboxing is fine. You can still have multiple clients running. Only one can be the focused account at any given time. The keystroke can only effect the focused account. You would need to Alt+Tab and select the account you want to focus in order to allow input.

Your post is just basically a twisting of facts and outright lies.

But nice way to put a spin on it.

That doesn’t mean that they should allow such programs, that actually can run scripts into it, scripts are more powerful than “keyboard broadcasting” and you can argue that scripting + “keyboard broadcasting” is even worst, still if they really want to remove “bots” they need to get rid of scripting and If you go and see similar programs with synapse you can script a big interaction there.

I agree that there are only a few options to blizzard to detect such “softwares”, but several software misused will be always an issue.

Try to ban LUA and you won’t see any issues. :wink: . Try to ban Windows as looks like you can programmatically send keystrokes in a simple Visual Studio program, then we are talking.

Bots will always exist and they can create vm’s and even create a whole cloud infra structure to not show such programs and just run scripts.

So yeah this ban was targeted to multiboxers, not bots and funny enough, they are allowing “multiboxing” because everyone can argue that anyone that has more than 1 client per IP is “multiboxing”.

I want to see blizzard ban programs that create scripts, instead of banning random software that broadcast keys

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You whole post is a slipper slope logical fallacy. A slippery slope fallacy is a fallacious pattern of reasoning that claims that allowing some small event now will eventually culminate in a significant and usually negative later effect.

For example: If the government bans shark fin soup, they then ban all soup, and then all salads and eventually they will ban all food!!

That is your whole post
 if Blizzard bans broadcast keystrokes
 they will soon ban all keystrokes (or some other similar but equally ridiculous conclusion).

That’s true and I think they did that in the past for other “bots” companies, the problem with innerspace is that they don’t provide a scripting mechanism and it is hard to go to court with that. So they are going with the cheap route. :wink:

Can’t boost a sad multi-boxer’s ego if I never enable war-mode.

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I agree with this 100%

It doesn’t really matter what COULD be deemed illegal down the line. Acting like Blizzard banning key cloning software which promotes borderline AFK botting gameplay is some how unjust then you obviously partake in it yourself. Real multiboxers will still be around, borderline cheaters wont. This clearly some multiboxer agenda post. Go away cheater.

Players are going to be shocked to still see some multiboxers. Banning broadcast software is merely an inconvenience.

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in any case that would be the fault of blizzard and what spoiled many players in not respecting the experience of the game.

but that would no longer be our problem, since there is a majority who would play WoW for the love of this game, which if it would be worth the true result to pay 1 month of subs and keep this kind of people away if it would give reason for Blizzard to ward off toxicity through their payment system.

Although, however, it would harm other third parties a little in countries where it is difficult to get a credit card and they help easily in being able to buy the video game for a payment measure.

Not even an inconvenience for me, now I get to build a more elaborate PC setup :heart_eyes:

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But
 couldn’t you just switch WM off?

Is there a way to switch multiboxing off? Dang! I must of missed that setting.

I neither support nor oppose it.

Multiboxing was and still is allowed. They have chosen to restrict the software though.

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(EDIT: Nevermind. They fully intend to crack down specifically on multiboxing.)

It would be fascinating to see how this affects the economy, though. That’s what I’m more interested in.

They did not ban follow, they disabled follow in battlegrounds; no one was banned for using the /follow command in a battle ground.

Stop misusing inflammatory words because you think it makes your case stronger, it does not.

I don’t think that’s what he’s doing. Players tend to use the word banned like that a lot. Some players say they were banned when they get chat silenced :man_shrugging:

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Players have been banned in the past for using hardware macros to automate tasks (e.g. casting a heal on self every X seconds while auto attacking with nothing equipped so that they can level fisting skill
 yeah, I don’t think there’s any reason to do that lately so no new stories). That’s essentially a low quality bot, so it’s perfectly reasonable.

Macros are done in-game and anything done in-game must be legal. Blizzard has control over what is and what isn’t allowed in macros. People would never be getting bans for using in-game macros, because Blizzard can literally break macro functionality with a hotfix.

While you are correct in saying that Warden is bad at catching players, you are crazy to suggest it’s catching innocents. The main reason stuff gets through is because it’s not strict enough - and that’s intentional.

Anyway, I doubt they’ll change Warden behavior. I doubt it’ll ever try to detect “key cloning software”. It’s just that now there’s no distinction between “player playing 20 accounts and doing 20 actions simultaneously legally” and “player running 20 bots and doing 20 actions simultaneously deserving a ban”, they both get the ban, which makes it a lot easier for GMs to act on reports.

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It is possible to be innocently banned

but I don’t think it’s common.

um you DO know that this can happen outside of WM right?

All you have to do is flag the old fashioned way in the PvE shard, you get no one to fight back at you and you can grief lowbies till your hearts content by killing their quest givers. You can shut down entire zones if you want.

Blizzard’s response? Its PvP and requires a PvP response.
Our response? Isn’t PvP supposed to be in WM? I turned WM off, so why is there PvP?

I can get told to go to another zone, just like if a MB was disrupting an entire zone.

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I know WM is new, relatively speaking, to the game but even on “Normal” servers you could kill NPCs so I would think it’s common knowledge it can be done with or without Warmode On.

This has happened to me many times when trying to level an alt before the revamp.
I would hit HFP in Outland and be forced to figure something else out as all the NPCs and flightmaster would be dead in town.
I have actually just logged out and shelved characters for days/weeks because of it in the past.
This has never been the case with Multi-boxers in my experience.
If I can’t pick an herb it doesn’t stop me from questing, and even if they are farming quest mobs you can usually just tag some stuff and kite it into their killzone and boom, free quest.

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Ah yes. I did forget about the old pvp system. TBH they should probs remove that as it is a way for people to bring pvp into shards that are pve. Although IDK how that would work without abandoning the stupid idea of only being able to flag WM in capital cities. Hopefully it means they do indeed, ditch that stupid concept and allow people to flag WM whenever, wherever they want.

You would be surprised at the number of people assumed that PvP = Warmode.

When you tell them, they usually deny it exists, then act shocked when they find out its true.

I haven’t found a person that wants it that way, but I don’t think Blizz is ever gonna fix it. They really don’t care how many players it affects