- Horde queues are typically 35 minutes and sometimes as long as 50 minutes, so …
- It just flat out makes no sense for us to skip all the objectives that provide honor to rush Vann for ~2.5k bonus honor & zero HKs in 6-7 minutes (~4k honor per hour) when it’s mathematically more beneficial for us to spend 25-30 minutes for 5-6k bonus honor and 1k+ honor from HKs (~6k honor per hour).
- Quick, boring NPC zergs in a few minutes does not make the wait worth it even if it were the best honor/hr, because while many may be there mainly for the honor there still needs to be a certain level of fulfilling gameplay to keep us sane.
- If you haven’t already realized it, botting is a much bigger problem for horde since we cannot create premades that exclude bots and thus inherently outpace their honor. As a result, the only way for honest players online for less than 16 hours per day to keep pace with bots online for 24 hours per day is to get as much honor from HKs as possible by participating in actual PvP (do you remember what that is?). Without honor from HKs, we will just get the same honor/hour as every bot which turns the standings purely into a competition for who can remain online the longest. I think everyone can agree that is not a good state for PvP … since isn’t that why you alliance are running premades in the first place?
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- It’s simply not practical for horde to function with a single goal in mind like alliance premades, because we CAN’T form premades. We dont have everyone in discord to comminicate. We aren’t ensured everyone has an epic mount. We aren’t ensured everyone is reasonably geared. We can’t ensure we have someone that knows how to accomplish solo pulls. We can’t ensure nobody is dumb enough to attack the mobs we would need to kite. If you dont understand why pugs can’t compete in a zerg competition, then you should try spending a few games in a pug for once.
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- Lastly, and most importantly… we dont care if we also have ways to skip objectives. Both sides having the ability to cheese the system doesn’t make it right. We simply dont want the game to be played that way, and I have a feeling alliance don’t really want to play that way either. We would be much happier if we couldnt skip objectives if it meant neither faction could do so… and not because of some evil scheme to gain an advantage, its just a stupid lame poor excuse for a gaming experience.
Reading the forums here it’s clear there are a ton of alliance that still can’t comprehend why horde players do the things they do. Alliance has had their queue-time and premade advantage for so long they’ve forgotten what its like to play in a pug and now take so much for granted. While most seem to just say whatever they can to protect these advantages, there are still some alliance that simply dont understand things from our perspective… so hopefully this gives them at least a small glimpse.
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This is the only problem. If the horde fix this by rerolling, all of the problems go away.
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Even if we WANTED to rush van and attempt the same strategy alliance are using, we literally CANT because the alliance base layout coupled with us not having paladins makes it impossible to replicate
Most ally are waiting to reroll horde come TBC, while most horde never look to roll alliance, the problem will only get worse, but come TBC, the faster queues wont make up for the lack of players in the ally population.
So basically what you’re saying is - you don’t have a solution? Got it.
Your response is every bit as stupid as: Alliance should just queue up more to make more BGs.
Since there is a balanced faction, but ally choose not to queue. You’re forcing people into something they don’t want to do. Also, what about players like me who have no option to play their class on alliance side?
0/10. Your response is just top of the heap stupid.
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I’ll reroll if I can have your stuff.
That response is as dumb now as it was in phase 2. At least phase 2 was temporary.
No one is telling you specifically to reroll. If you want to stay a shaman, be my guest. Literally every other class can reroll though.
It’s soulbound sorry 
I can help you get new stuff though.
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back in retail i had both horde and alliance toons, although on different servers, i wasnt picky about faction. i wont roll alliance in classic wow simply because i know theyre so heavily underpopulated and ill struggle to find an already existing group to join or run low level dungeons at all, i will literally be playing solo wow until 60 and thats very dull to me. i like to group to level.
Causally ranking to 10. At 7.85 now playing a few hours a day…gearing up in MC whilepatiently waiting for AB.
Av is awful. AB i s where the fun is. Horde stop crying. Itll all be back to normal in a few months
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What you’re posting does not mean it’s “not a reasonable excuse”. Saying that you CAN do it but that it’s not efficient is basically supporting the alliance PoV. We CAN do it, and if we don’t (like the top rankers do) then we fall further and further behind. I hate the pally pull, it is so easy to mess with and cause a massive wipe, but it makes the game 3 minutes faster and even though I hate it, I need it for the honor. Same issue with botting - I fully agree that it is a problem and a bigger one for Horde, but that is something Blizzard needs to address.
With respect to Horde not being able to function with a single goal, that’s not true. It is hard to get people ON-BOARD with this goal, certainly, and slower in real time. That said, if you’re trying to do a hard offense rush Drek, you need at least 30+ people to make it South to stand a reasonable chance. By contrast, you only need 15 people to wipe the alliance push (IBGY choke + recall), or less if you have AoE classes porting back. So your need for coordination is less. Agreed that your ability to do rush strategies is very limited without communication.
I also agree that this is cheesing - it is not, however, cheating. You not WANTING the game to be played that way is a personal issue, even if your faction agrees. I’ll tell you this much, though - MOST alliance also don’t want it to be this way. We don’t like spending 10h doing continuous AV every day to still only get bracket 12. We don’t like having to rapid queue, screw PuGs, and fall behind if we go take a particularly long poop break.
We understand your perspective and it sucks. I hope you realize we hate it too. Keep in mind that both our goals are honor-per-hour. For us the only way to get there is to zerg, and for you the only way is to defend and turtle. We will never find a way to meet in the middle, unfortunately.
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Even if they did re-roll tomorrow the damage is already done. The Alliance PVE oriented, gear oriented players have already soiled the experience and ruined the PVP grind.
The only way to FIX the problem is to eliminate CRBG’s entirely.
You’re in for a wakeup call if you think AB will replace the AV meta long term. Once the AB rep grinds are finished, Alliance will continue to queue AV because not only is it still the best honor/hour for them, but also because its the only BG that they are guaranteed to never face a horde premade.
1500-2k honor in AB will still not be able to compete with 5k+ honor from AV for horde either… so all the horde PvPers interested in ranking up will stick to AV and just like WSG, Arathi Basin will become mostly low rank horde pugs vs. alliance premades.
AB is certainly more fun, which is why I will play it, but anyone that thinks it will kill the AV honor domination is going to be very disappointed.
That won’t fix it either. The alliance will still do the same thing, probably with even greater success due to the smaller player pool.
That does nothing to fix the problem, if anything it makes it even worse for the horde.
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In what way? Unless you’re on one of the few terribly screwed servers, I can’t see queue times possibly getting any worse.
And without CRBGs there wouldn’t be consistent games 24/7 into the wee hours of the morning, which takes away one of the main advantages for bots.
Alliance will not leave AV, this is true. Horde most likely will. Their queue times are super high, so even if AV gives up to 5k honor in a game (lets be real though, the average is ~ 4k) it takes twice as long to complete and the queue time will probably remain twice as long. I think it will end up evening out since Horde will be queuing AB or AV depending on queue length, and the queue times for both will drop to similar ranges.
Alliance, unfortunately, will be stuck in AV forever.
Actually no, because there will be no way to Cross server play…
Smaller pool of players = less in process BG’s
Smaller pool of players means AV Q’s get much much much much longer… ( A very good thing)
This results in WSG being the place for PVP grind players…
As a result PVP oriented players will now dominate the PVP grind instead of these flat out horrible PVE oriented players who in my opinion have no clue what they’re doing most of the time.
Then reroll. Also this has nothing to do with the pull complaint.
This is completely silly. The bot problem exists on both sides and even if you can put in 6-8 hours of dedicated speed honor grinding as Alliance, you’re not tripling the honor gained in a day from a bot online most of the day. This has nothing to do with the pull complaint.
It doesn’t take an entire premade to pull off the lift-and-separate strategy, it just works better. A handful of people can pull it off if you bother to coordinate in the time it takes for the game to begin and for you to get to Vann. This isn’t about the pull, this is about Horde incompetence.
It actually does. The inherent unfairness people want to cite about the pull strategy is entirely obliterated by the fact that neither side is barred from doing the pull. Kiting mobs across odd terrain to force exaggerated pathing is a standard mechanic used by and usable by every class of every race of every faction.
Soloing Angerforge relies upon this.
Soloing DME relies upon this.
Soloing the entirety of Mara relies upon this.
Etc. Etc.
The mechanic and the strategy aren’t a problem. Even if they linked the tower elites with the general for each side, all of the rest of your complaints would remain about premade and queue times and coordination and so forth.
The pull isn’t the problem. Your issues are with queue times. That’s it.
You have a clear solution: Reroll
So that Alliance continue to have instant queues, premades, etc, on a majority of servers? /giggle