They already came off this way.
Agreed.
They already came off this way.
Agreed.
but that’s what the devs wanted to do, though it was more nuanced. they said the blood elves had lost their souls. they’d lost faith in the light because of their ordeal with the scourge and had come to view the light as just something to manipulate, and this is why they fit on the horde. that was at the beginning of the story, however, because by the end of tbc, they were already back in the saddle again. they apparently just needed them to be edgy initially, so it would be believable to find light based high elves joining forces with their enemies.
I would be okay with them being folded into void elves. Or having altered models.
But right now there’s no reason they would negatively impact anyone, because they already exist.
If they didn’t exist already on the alliance, then I would see it as a problem.
The anti position approaches this topic as if high elves (alliance aligned high elves who still refer to themselves as high elves, and not blood elves) don’t exist. Or that because blood elves exist, that means these high elves should be disregarded. This is problematic.
If they don’t want to be seen as spiteful, they should stop acting like it.
That being said!
People who are just tired of seeing elves are much more relatable. As I would much rather see Vrykul or Sethrak.
That doesn’t mean I have to disagree with high elves though!
I think we’ve been arguing with robots.
Such concern for civility in the debate.
They are not playable. NPCs do not matter in the context of what introducing a new playable race could have in terms of impact. I don’t know why that point keeps getting tapdanced around.
We all know High Elves exist as NPCs and a in the case of the SC, a Rep faction. No one disputes that. The dispute is centered around them as a playable race.
My position, my opinion on the subject, has pretty much always been clear: Faction boundaries are a good thing. Factions in WoW, with the exception of Pandas, have been (until Voids and Nightborne who - even altered as much as they are - pushed that boundary) defined by the races within them. High Elves and Blood Elves are the same race. The same race should not be playable on both factions as it dilutes faction identity.
From the opening cinematic of BC, I can see why some would think so. But honestly I think people want to choose for themselves how moral their characters are, so being painted by the villain brush is rough.
That’s part of why BFA was so garbage. It’s the second time the horde has followed a genocidal maniac, and in bfa they followed her longer than they did Garrosh. I can’t play my horde toons right now because it feels wrong. So I can see why blood elf players wouldn’t want to come off as bad guys while high elves are painted as tragic and strong.
They made different choices, and blood elves mostly just wanted to survive and rebuild.
Sethrak for the Alliance! (but playable is fine blizz seriously please.)
You’re right. But remember, we’re not playing a race as a whole, we’re playing only groups out of that race. And remember also, playable characters have zero impact on the lore.
I personally think HE’s add to the faction divide with tons of flavor, I like being able to consider someone a traitor and I think my BE would dislike them strongly in story and PCs and vice versa.
Lots of flavor to be added because from both stand points the other side is in the wrong, so it’s not much of a danger who comes off villainous imo if both sides are discontent with the behavior of the other, which is what makes them interesting to me.
And they’re already the playable version. So too bad for you.
Nice baseless accusations there.
Especially when the last Megathread capped out and we politely put up this thread to host the conversation in, since change can be good and mods want this debate contained in one thread.
Do not the void elves already fit this role though?
No Sara, I disagree. If you’re playing an Orc there’s no chance you’re playing an Alliance-aligned Orc. If you’re playing a Human there’s no chance you are playing a Horde-aligned Human. .
And people on the Horde are playing the Blood Elves. The ones who changed there name and also consider themselves no longer High Elves.
Do not the void elves already fit this role though?
No not at all. Feels contrived they have been away from Silvermoon exiled, why would the general population notice a few missing people? Rommath and Lorthemar sure dislike them but they feel contrived attempting to do so.
High Elves never returning to help Quel’thalas while taking a moral high ground to the people who did is a much more interesting and deeper seeded dislike.
And people on the Horde are playing the Blood Elves. The ones who changed there name and also consider themselves no longer High Elves.
And that’s a name - not a race.
If helfers recognize and respect our view that playable high elves on the alliance would impact Blood Elves negatively, they’d have to rethink how important our side is to this topic.
It’s been mentioned that the creators of this game understand about our opposition and concerns and it has been part of their consideration on the subject.
and what if all the anti threads were closed and you could only respond in a pro thread, where the title was the opposite of what you believe. would you accept that we made the thread for your benefit. come on, tarrok. that’s insulting.
Oh right, because in the end, as long as that exist, it seems to be used as an argument to say that people rolling a Blood Elf are rolling a race as a whole.
If helfers recognize and respect our view that playable high elves on the alliance would impact Blood Elves negatively
Cool, so we’re forced to respect your views, but yet, you ignore our views.
Amazing logic.