Why High Elves Didn't Work - A Restrospective

You lost. Deal with it and move on.

Blond hair is next :slight_smile:

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those are void elves fam.

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the solution to this is to upgrade belfs appearance, so that they’re even better than they are now. let the alliance have their current high elf models. then give belfs things that can make them visually distinct, such as cleansed felblood wings (see selin fireheart in magisters terrace. the 3d model view on wowhead shows a pair of feathery wings emerging from his back. they could be white wings also. dont have to be just one color option. in fact,. some of them have white feathered wings in the sunwell plateau), sanlayn and dark ranger customizations. its possible to make this entire scenario a great event for both sides.

And see, once again, defending one group of people of there actions, but never admit to anything.

Contradict yourself much with the first part of your post.

4 threads? Hmmm, I think I have 3 of them on mute? I swear I have only seen one thread of people asking to change the Void Elf to High Elves.

But no, I’ll take your advice, and do the same thing you’re doing. Defend your own, but blame the other group. Good advice.

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The only reason a lot of us High Elf fans (at least for me) were ‘happy’ with this compromise, is because Blizzard added other clans/races to the other playable races we have at the same time. It kind of seems like this is just how Blizzard is handling ‘subraces’.

Blizzard said we could make Wildhammer Dwarves with these new customization, which basically means people can just play Wildhammers now, so why wouldn’t that same logic apply to our Void Elves and Blood ELves?

If Blizzard wasn’t adding Wildhammer and Sandfury options to those other races, I don’t actually think we’d actually be very grateful for this as a compromise. It wouldn’t feel the same.

I’m 90% sure all of us would much rather High Elves as their own fleshed out Allied Race, just like Sandfury and WIldhammer fans would. It’s kind of funny how we don’t see threads like these aimed at them, though.

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they’ve already been playable on Horde

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Like, dudes, just envelope yourself in the lore of a void elf

There isn’t any? Ask the lore guys to write up a lore dump to get invested in, like just a blog with a bunch of info on them, or even a few hour livestream. Expanding upon their origin, important figures, trailblazers in the fledgling Void Elf society. The process in which they’re overtaken by the powers of the void. What they’re capable of, how a warrior or a hunter could’ve gotten tangled up in it.

Wildstar devs used to do something called “Loremageddon” where they’d delve into lore about things in the world. It was necessary because wildstar was never going to see the outside success and story development that wow did, but still had interesting things people wanted to learn about. Reasons to relate to the denizens of the world they played in. Explanations of how long interstellar travel takes, and why the dominion couldn’t get an unstoppable army to nexus overnight.

It’s a format blizz could take advantage of to expand upon these things they’re adding with minimal explanation. You know, how people say blizz steals ideas and then they do it better.

Instead of moaning about how it’s not high elves, try to get invested in void elves, ask for more about them. They suck and are outta left field because they weren’t a thing before, let them become something that you find cool.

Invest yourself in the idea of a Void Elf

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So is the Horde constantly complaining.

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Asking for Blizzard to expand on their lore with High Elf stuff is still asking for them to expand on their lore? There shouldn’t be a right and wrong way to ask for stuff. And it’s not like we’re asking for the Void stuff to be taken away or for Blizzard to get rid of it completely. Asking for Blizzard to take them down a path of mastering the Void is, like I just said, still asking for Blizzard to expand on their lore.

They don’t have to specifically take one route and completely deny the other. Them going both a Void path and a High Elf path should be perfectly fine, and it’d make two types of fans happy. They still are Thalassian elves, so they should still care and adopt a lot of their old culture. They still even talk about reclaiming Silvermoon for the Alliance. Clearly their thalassian heritage is important to them.

That seems to be the problem with some of the more vocal coming out still not satisfied, they dont care about void elves and just want them to be the trojan to get there “pure” high elves.

Even if that means completely removing them or adding things that just dont make sense on a void elf.

I think there just more upset that they are now just a customization option for a race they didnt care for. I guess blizz still sees standalone high elves as not making sense.

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Which is enough to say both consider themselves High Elves, and rightful citizens of Silvermoon, which fuels their rivalry.

But focusing on the High Elf part, and not the new order of Thalassian elves, would be the dullest possible way of expanding on this. The War of “No I’m the real High Elves.”

You likely already know about High Elves, the only thing to explain between them and Void Elves is the corruption. If you want high elves, you have them. Both Belves and Velves have the exact claim as the other. They’re energy afflicted, and they’ve allied with different factions.

What makes a Void Elf unique from a Blood Elf? Why should I relate to and want to play as a Void Elf? If it’s just High Elfness, I could’ve got that from Blood Elves. The only reason I wouldn’t have is an aversion to red team.

We’re at the middle ground. I think players with an interest in High Elves should see the evolution in the story of Thalassian elves, and learn more about the intricacies between their preferred sides, rather than obsessively dwell on the shared past of them.

No that’s blood elves and you know it. Either you are ignorant of the lore or just intentionally being fictitious. Blood elves and High elves are clearly two seperate groups, otherwise you would have ‘high elf’ written under your name. You do not.

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I usually dont get into this bait fests of threads but the fact that OP quotes what ion said makes it a complete joke.

Just because blizz dev’s barely know anything of their own game (like how high elfs were with the alliance before some of them were turn into blood elves and joined the horde later, years later veeresa plays a part with her own faction on the alliance, on mop they were more alliance than neutral due the sunreavers betrayal)

High elves were on the alliance before WoW even existed
 not the first time these writers and dev’s oversight things on their own game, maybe the technology back then wouldnt make high elfs possible yet some years later on TBC blood elves appear suddenly which kinda debunk what I just said.

Said that this is the only time I will write here.

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Bravo good sir, bravo. Thank you. You obliterated the Alliance crybabies arguments in one wall of text. We’ve been beating them over the head with this for more than ten years, telling them they’ll not get actual playable high elves. They got void elves, that should have been more than enough for them to settle.

The Alliance is not entitled to Silvermoon, the lore sunk that ship long ago.

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If Blizzard didn’t want people arguing over High Elves they shouldn’t have spent two expansions shoving High Elf NPCs on Alliance questlines that involved Blood Elves for Horde.

Blizzard manufactured problem that Ion tried to pretend never existed in the first place to gaslight the community.

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I’ll settle for blowing it up.

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Right now, Void Elves don’t have enough lore for them to count as having rivalry with Silvermoon and Blood Elves(in my opinion). None of the Void Elves wanted to be exiled or afflicted with the Void, and I bet all of them would go back if they could. High Elves on the other hand? No. They hate the Blood Elves and the Horde, and we’ve had a few scenarios to showcase that.

This isn’t how it would be handled through the game though? And what’s dull or not is subjective. I like the Alliance-aligned High Elf lore much more than I ever could with a bunch of Horde exiled Blood Elves, which is all Void Elves are. They never wanted their affliction or to be allied with the Alliance.

Everything else you said is fine, and I can see why you think like that. But I don’t really think Blizzard necessarily has to avoid including High Elf elf stuff just because people are worried about it trampling on what makes Void Elves unique. It doesn’t, and it only makes their themes and aesthetics more expansive. Blizzard giving us more options is only going to make more fans happy? Adding High Elves to their lore would help flesh out their lore a lot, and I personally think it’d make them feel much more like a natural addition to the game than what they do now.

I don’t care if Alliance never gets playable High Elves, I don’t care about Elves.

But I wish Horde players would stop pretending High Elves aren’t shoved everywhere in The Alliance narrative, and still are, even with Void Elves in the game.

You don’t have to lie and retcon the games history to make your “No you can’t play High Elves argument.”

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That’s never going to happen. Besides, the Scourge went through and we repaired it. You’ll never get it.

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I don’t want High Elves, in fact, I think elves are one of the most boring and dumbest races. More elves = bad in my eyes. However, I also dislike Ion, he has made so many bad statements that it is crazy. “We’d rather you not play Demonology” “The horde is there for you if you want to play a high elf”
“One of the things we want to avoid is excessive randomness (This quote is from 2020 mind you)”